Voting labour for the first time. Anyone else?

[Lupina12]

Labour are far from perfect, but I like Keir Starmer and I think they are the best party to turn things around from the awful mess the incumbents have got us into.

He’s not glossy or witty or funny, but he seems decent - (he clearly has a wonderful wife and that only reflects well on him!)

Anyway, just curious - anyone else voting Labour for the first time? I’m 40 by the way and in the south east.

It wasn't brexit that created any reduction, it was the pandemic and war as you well know I suspect.

Yes, me. Am fed up of the Tories’ vanity projects gone wrong. Brexit. HS2. They pretend they don’t like immigration yet oversee the biggest rise in immigration ever and pretend the small boats crisis is the problem while ignoring the 700k legal-fine-I’m not anti but don’t pretend you are while lying to the country. Failure to support early years contributes to crime, poverty and anti social behaviour later on. Failure to be truthful about the NHS. The banishing of decent, talented MPs because they dared to tell the truth on Brexit leaving us with the Loony Right. I could go on…

You're obviously unaware of the campaign Labour has had over the last 10 years within it's own party against gender critical women? Many card carrying female Labour party members have been expelled for that reason. Many others have torn up their cards in disgust. Nothing to do with Tories.

ParchworkElmer Same ! So nearly voted Green but as my friend said you will waste your vote that way!

This.
Absolutely not voting Labour. In our area its Conservative/ Green option. Green is the tactical vote. Googled their trans policy. Apparently transwomen are women , transmen are men. I'm voting Conservative because we need a strong opposition to some of the crap Labour will try to bring in. The Greens will vote with Labour on the men are now women and here's a birth certificate to prove it. That is a hill I will die on.

All of the people talking about voting tory for "women's rights"... do you not care about maternity services, domestic abuse shelters etc? Underfunded police and social services? All of the women having to stay with an abuser because the cost of living is so high they can't afford to leave? Tories have absolutely decimated women's rights, just silently.

Not 100% who I'm going to vote yet, I'm not overly keen on any of the options - but for the people saying Labour are going to massively increase taxes, haven't they already stated it won't be on National Insurance / VAT and Income? E.g. the aspects that people immediately think of with "tax hikes"? They are planning to tax businesses, private schools and second properties I believe.

And yes I'm absolutely voting Labour. Not a fan of all their policies by my god we need to be relieved of the hell the tories have put us allnthrough.

No I was just stating that the assumption that Labour wanted to keep women chained to the kitchen sink was wrong.

Hope I'm wrong but think it will be worse under labour. I won't vote for them. Feel like doing a spoilt vote in truth as they are all not up to the job.

@ moonmelodies only looking at last "quarterly" figures, is not really relevant to my comment.

The NHS isn't one organisation.

This is why your GP practice is run differently to mine as they are two different organisations. (BTW mine is good thanks. They were lucky enough to manage to get GP trainees to take on GP roles and keep them before the squeeze came in on GP recruitment due to no increase in funding.)

This is also why some people can't get an NHS dentist and others can. (I've been with my NHS dental practice for over 20 years while moving around and they have changed from a partnership to a limited company.)

This is also why I randomly got phoned up while on the waiting list at my local hospital after 10 months for a gynaecology appointment 72 hours later, while other women at different hospitals, so different organisations, have to wait over 2 years.

Not me. Have been Labour/Plaid my whole life. Family of public service workers. Parent of children with lifelong disabilities. I’m so disillusioned with Labour that I’d still prefer Conservatives. But it’s easy to believe that all those who see bigger issues with Labour being in power must be true right-wingers pretending to be on the flip.

You are late to the party as the Tories already made the gender recognition bill law while they were in government for 14 years.

It's not a big headline. It's scaremongering propaganda. Completely absurd as a lot of young people can't afford to do those things under the Tories anyway.

Desperate. Absolutely desperate.And dreadful parody of Neil Kinnock’s “I warn you not to be young under the Tories. I warn you not to fall ill. I warn you not to get old”

No.
Have lived through 2 labour governments. Never again (and I voted for the last labour government).
I think the conservatives are a disgrace.
I am at a loss - will probably choose Green although I feel a bit of a wasted vote.

Ok, so what firm plans have Labour to fix this? Instead of shouting ‘Tories are bad’, I want to hear how exactly Labour are absolutely going to make things better for women as a sex. Because all I see for women is more of the same under Labour, with their other policies actively going against women’s rights.

Vote the Tories out - https://stopthetories.vote/

This baffles me...

I am voting Labour because the situation for women in this country is dismal. (Not for the first time but I have voted Lib Dem and Tory before). All of this concerns me and all of it happened and worsened under the Tories: undermining support for DV, sexiest policing, rapists raping with impunity, child poverty, poor maternal health etc. AND so-called "trans rights" forcing women into the courts to defend themselves and infiltrating our private lives in a myriad number of ways.

The fact that the Tories say they will protect women ... well, why haven't they before now? Where the hell have they been?

That promise to fix things will probably materialise around the same time 350 million goes to the NHS and the sunlit uplands resulting from Brexit finally appear.

The Tories always say what they think they NEED to say to win votes. Blah blah blah. And they don't deliver. I feel women stand a better chance influencing Labour on a range of issues of concern to women than they do the Tories.

This sums up the issue with all the people who will vote tory to "protect women's rights" and "at least they know what a woman is".

Maybe they do, but they don't give a fuck. Rape is basically legalized at this point.

EVERYTHING that's happened with trans rights etc has happened under the tories. THEY let this happen. They will continue to let it happen.

Labour will ensure that rape cases are prosecuted and tried far more quickly than they are now.

Can’t bring myself to vote labour, I just don’t see any substance in their promises, personally not inspired by any of them but will probably vote Lib dem

Er no

No. I won’t be voting Labour because of women’s rights, ULEZ/ extreme net zero, and for many of the reasons listed above by others. I don’t particularly want to vote Conservative either…I feel very politically homeless, but I live in a safe blue seat, and the Tory candidate running is only one of two candidates running who lives in the area and knows about local issues.

Labour always sorts out the NHS. The NHS was born under a Labour government the Tories were against it.

Labour always tries to sort out state school education. The Tories have cut the funding per school in the past few years while inflation has risen.

Labour always has policies for example Surestart, the most famous one, that aren't in their manifesto but helps children and in turn communities.