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To think most peoole are racist and scared of " other%."

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malificent7 · 03/07/2024 16:46

Judging by the conversations I overheard about the election today. It was all " stop the boats" and the uk is too attractive a place to live coz benefits 😂"
No wonder Farage is so poular and La Penn is gauning traction in France.

It's pointless telking oeoplat immigrants have a great work ethic generally and that the UK should be an attractive pkace to live and that the UK raped and colonised the world etc.

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User2460177 · 04/07/2024 12:16

Shortfatsuit · 04/07/2024 10:44

You seem to have a limited understanding of what "discrimination" means. I am not "discriminating" against anyone.

Am I judging Reform voters? Yes, absolutely. I consider them to be amongst the lowest of the low.

My evidence? The fact that they are saying that they vote for a racist, misogynist party with racist, misogynist candidates and a racist, misogynist leader is enough.

In a democracy, we respect the fact that people have the right to hold repugnant and ill-informed opinions, but there is absolutely no obligation to respect those opinions or the people who hold them. Only their right to hold them.

I am not trying to obstruct that democratic process in any way. If the racists and misogynists want to vote for Reform, then that is their democratic right to do so and I accept that. However, there is no requirement on me to pretend that I believe that they are in any way decent, reasonable people. Clearly they are not.

Did you/ do you judge people who vote for the antisemitic candidates in the Labour Party? Or is that sort of racism ok?

User2460177 · 04/07/2024 12:18

Dweebie · 04/07/2024 10:13

I agree with this. It’s the classification into ‘good migrant’ or ‘bad migrant’ based on how they are able to get here that tends towards racist.

Surely thought it is relevant the circumstances in which someone immigrated? If someone is a high skilled immigrant who immigrated legally surely that is a different scenario to someone who is not following the rules? How is that racist at all?

suburburban · 04/07/2024 13:27

@Meraas

So how are they contributing or paying into a pension or any N.I.

Why shouldn't they have to get a job?

Dweebie · 04/07/2024 13:29

User2460177 · 04/07/2024 12:18

Surely thought it is relevant the circumstances in which someone immigrated? If someone is a high skilled immigrant who immigrated legally surely that is a different scenario to someone who is not following the rules? How is that racist at all?

Absolutely, but again it’s an oversimplification. You can be highly skilled (or young and ambitious and ready to work) and still come via an illegal route because it’s the only one open to you. In some circumstances can come via a legal route and have no skills or any intention of working. It’s the whole picture that needs to be looked at.

Meraas · 04/07/2024 13:36

suburburban · 04/07/2024 13:27

@Meraas

So how are they contributing or paying into a pension or any N.I.

Why shouldn't they have to get a job?

I literally said they should ne encouraged to work. They should be supported on the reasons that exclude them from the workplace.

And is it all SAHMs you think don't contribute or just Pakistani SAHMs? If they receive child benefit they make NI contributions.

Dweebie · 04/07/2024 13:37

suburburban · 04/07/2024 13:27

@Meraas

So how are they contributing or paying into a pension or any N.I.

Why shouldn't they have to get a job?

Once processed and if asylum is granted then they would be eligible for benefits but subject to the same requirement to look for work as anyone else. It is only whilst stuck in the system waiting for their claim to be processed that they are unable to work and are a drain on the country’s finances. If their claim is rejected they are not entitled to anything.

suburburban · 04/07/2024 13:37

Yes I believe this works for a while

Are their husbands earnings good wage or do they need top up benefits?

errjql · 04/07/2024 13:39

This is ironic. Sunak is the child of immigrants and has a string work ethic. Yet most of this website hates him.

Peonies12 · 04/07/2024 13:39

They need to stop the boats because it's dangerous and benefits people smugglings - but therefore there needs to be proper systems where people can apply for asylum from outside the UK. Consider how bad your life is that you think getting on a leaking boat is the best option.

HRTQueen · 04/07/2024 13:44

I think there is a lot more racism in our society than we want to admit or many are aware

from the anger and blaming some display which is obvious and may lead to voting for a party like Reform to the dismissal of racism when it is underhand or not perceived as that bad

all of it is damaging

Notaflippinclue · 08/07/2024 12:00

Maybe seeing multiculturalism over the last 50 years failing in some parts of the country and seeing unemployment stats and benefits stats and crime stats by ethnicity make people fearful of a whole new wave. The internets fault for allowing everyone access to things folks have never seen before.

andymary · 08/07/2024 12:18

HRTQueen · 04/07/2024 13:44

I think there is a lot more racism in our society than we want to admit or many are aware

from the anger and blaming some display which is obvious and may lead to voting for a party like Reform to the dismissal of racism when it is underhand or not perceived as that bad

all of it is damaging

100% agree with you. And a lot of the racism is 'stealth racism'.
I heard from multiple people who said that they voted Labour was due to...in a polite way - Rishi being of Indian descent, and so that he "is not their PM".
Pretty disgusting really.

LastTrainEast · 08/07/2024 12:31

Glenthebattleostrich · 03/07/2024 16:58

Why do you think it's OK for people to drown? To owe smuggling gangs thousands? To live in camps rather than apply for asylum in a perfectly safe country? Why don't you care about the number arriving illegally who are being trafficked? Because that's why I think they need to stop the boats.

We need immigration but that doesn't mean open doors and dangerous conditions for arrivals. It's not racist to acknowledge there is an issue with integration and that there are issues with the numbers arriving.

They are in the boats because that way they don't have to show their passport.

If they did we'd know they were not fleeing danger and we'd tell them to go home. So the boats are part of the plan to break in like a burglar climbing in an upstairs window.

I'm going to have to insist that from now on you keep your front door open to let burglars in safely.

If one falls you'd be a murderer and all for greedily wanting to keep the house you paid for and the property in it that you paid for and not letting other people share it.

Oh and any man off the street has as much right in your daughters bedroom as you do. Even expressing the smallest doubt that that is ok is racist and shameful.

LastTrainEast · 08/07/2024 12:38

"Consider how bad your life is that you think getting on a leaking boat is the best option."

It's the best option if you're a lying scumbag who plans to pretend to be fleeing danger.

Otherwise you can come here as a tourist showing your passport and then ask for asylum, but then they will know your real country of origin.

altmember · 08/07/2024 13:20

The government needs the population to keep rising to sustain the ponzi that is the uk economy (spending, state pensions, NHS etc). The uk birth rate is falling (possibly because a lot of average couples can't afford to have children). So the alternative is to import people from abroad. The government actually loves migrants - legal, illegal, fake asylum seekers, all helping prop up the system.

1dayatatime · 08/07/2024 22:28

Nigel Farage when asked what he would do for the black community;

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Notaflippinclue · 08/07/2024 22:40

That's a bit naughty - you need to hear the whole clip love - come on grow up

Kinshipug · 08/07/2024 22:46

Notaflippinclue · 08/07/2024 22:40

That's a bit naughty - you need to hear the whole clip love - come on grow up

The full clip is not much better. Wishy washy colour blind nonsense, and he didn't even answer his own question.

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 22:53

If the government can find a way to address our low birth rates without immigration, great.

But cutting immigration to net zero will mean the retirement age will have to be significant raised immediately, with further rises occurring frequently after that.

Coupled with the general Thatcherism in Reform's "contract", I fear a Reform government would mean a country of proles, working for shit pay until the day they die. Not for me, thanks.

1dayatatime · 09/07/2024 00:09

@ClawedUkelele

"If the government can find a way to address our low birth rates without immigration, great."

Japan has addressed low birth rates and an ageing population without immigration through reduced economic growth.

ClawedUkelele · 09/07/2024 00:25

1dayatatime · 09/07/2024 00:09

@ClawedUkelele

"If the government can find a way to address our low birth rates without immigration, great."

Japan has addressed low birth rates and an ageing population without immigration through reduced economic growth.

Apologies but I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic? Japan is facing a major crisis.

1dayatatime · 09/07/2024 10:11

@ClawedUkelele

"Apologies but I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic? Japan is facing a major crisis."

Apologies if you misunderstood my post. I didn't say that Japan was not undergoing a crisis of a declining birth rate and ageing population.

What I was discussing was the potential solutions were to this. Rather than import the missing birth rate rate through immigration, Japan has instead gone through stagnation in economic growth.
Given that this started in the 1980s the problem will inevitably start to ease off as the elderly come to the end of their lives, although complicated by Japan having one of the longest life expectancies.

The biggest cause of the low birth rate is the decline in marriage rates, with out of wedlock births quite rare in Japan. This has resulted in more government spending on pensions, healthcare etc but less on say education and childcare.

My point being that there is a choice between importing people to counter declining birth rates. Or working through the demographic change over time but at the cost of lower economic growth.

Notaflippinclue · 09/07/2024 10:30

Who cares for the imported carers and their families when they need care - and on and on

1dayatatime · 09/07/2024 10:39

Notaflippinclue · 09/07/2024 10:30

Who cares for the imported carers and their families when they need care - and on and on

True - by delaying the problem, it does make the problem bigger in the long run. But Western politicians don't care about the long run- only the period between elections.

Japan for whatever reasons chose not to import the missing workers and instead opted for lower economic growth.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/07/2024 12:00

It’s not racist to say that we don’t have anything like enough reasonable, affordable housing for so many people already here, whether native or not.

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