To think most peoole are racist and scared of " other%."

[malificent7]

Judging by the conversations I overheard about the election today. It was all " stop the boats" and the uk is too attractive a place to live coz benefits 😂"
No wonder Farage is so poular and La Penn is gauning traction in France.

It's pointless telking oeoplat immigrants have a great work ethic generally and that the UK should be an attractive pkace to live and that the UK raped and colonised the world etc.

They may not all come by boats but the ones to be worried about are. Whole gangs are known to have crossed this way.

To be a racist means that you care greatly for, or perhaps even obsess over skin pigmentation and tend to be hyperfixated on the skin colour of someone you're focused on. You end up ignoring all the important things like culture, character, ethics and morals. A racist will base their opinions and judgements almost entirely on the colour of someone's skin. It's only because the majority of the migrants illegally entering the country (invading) are not white that any criticism of them is seen as racism. It's like criticising a Muslim is seen as racist because most of the followers of Islam just happen to be brown.

There are ways to legally enter a country, but it takes too long, the immigration system is utterly fucked and people are too impatient to go through the legal processes, so they pay a trafficker a tonne of money (even though we're led to believe they're penniless) to be shoved onto an overloaded dinghy and sent off into the English Channel only to be picked up by the RNLI or Border Farce Force. The result is they get to the UK quickly and then get put up in one of many hotels and rentals, making it harder for people to find places to rent.

The only reason the country is getting even more migrants is because, frankly, the economy is in deep shit. Everyone is an economic unit, even if they're not working and paying into the system. Money flows via people, regardless of whether they're in work, school or a NEET. The more people in a country, the better the spreadsheet looks. GDP per capita suffers and general quality of life goes down the toilet, but none of that matters as long as we keep the IMF away. It's like the NHS hitting targets. They often don't achieve what they set out to achieve, but the numbers appear to say otherwise and that's what matters.

How do you think someone who has come illegally can use public funds? And if you object to the use of public funds for deportation and detention, then why regurgitate the lines used by those who designed the ludicrously expensive and ineffective Rwanda plan?

Was it okay to make the legal right to claim asylum, as defined in international law, illegal just to be able to call people (not actions) "illegal" and create scapegoats? Surely, allowing asylum seekers to work and not have to support, detain, or deport them would make more sense?

But hey, why let rationality get in the way of despising the "other".

EasternStandard
The question I have is do you think there’s an upper limit to the amount of trafficking that people will accept?

I can understand the feeling that with there seemingly being no limit to the number of small boats crossing the channel with migrants, immigration may be getting out of control. It’s a difficult problem and maybe innovative and radical solutions need to be considered. However, the U.K. has intervened in places like Iraq and Libya and helped upend oppressive but stabilising governments. Some of this illegal migration is just the natural consequence of destabilising those countries.

Most Nigerians who come to the U.K. will be doing so on planes, with visas in their passports to work in the care sector, the NHS or other professional roles. They won’t be able to claim benefits until, I presume, they are able to qualify for indefinite leave to remain, which is ever harder and more and more expensive.

Oh for christs sake. You must have lived a sheltered life OP. I’m pretty sure 90% of the people with an issue with migration wouldn’t care if they could get a GP appointment, join an NHS dentist, etc. etc.

We do have a benefits problem. Did you not see the thread last week about 90k wage vs 30k with same take home. Half the countries living on top ups.

And yes of course some people have issue with the way the government have been dealing with migrants. I don’t know where you live but in some areas it’s absolute chaos!

In the country a considerable portion of the large house hotels were taken over by Serco and house migrants in some kind of bizarre camp situation. I have one right next door to my sons nursery. Do I really want a thousand unoccupied, potentially war traumatised people being held in some kind of bizarre modern day pergatory right next to my son. Of course not! No one does. You can see on google the time mobile phones are active and it’s most ‘active’ as it’s still listed as a service place. It’s around 2-4am it’s busy. These are mainly idle men becoming institutionalised.

And yes on legal migration - our town is 70% cash shops, nail salons, kebab stores, vape shops with black undercounter goods and counterfeits. So really it depends where you live for that one. But yes it’s dire and our council is shit.

So yes there’s a lot to be done. It’s not racist to say that. Process these people. Crack down on crime. Sort the wages in this country and the public services. If you do all that I guarantee 90% of those complaining about migration will not care anymore.

I get that.

But unless you come via the legal routes and into a job that is paid well enough, you will most likely end up being in some way subsidised by the state.

In my experience, this is the plight of many whose qualifications from abroad aren’t recognised in the UK. They work in badly paid jobs and it might be o for them, there’s no shame in it, but it means they are getting some state money. This is why there’s so much talk about certain groups of migrants not being net contributors. Because they aren’t, not in the UK at least.

It took me years to understand.

Imagine if lots and lots of people from countries even poorer than yours started coming to your country and putting pressure on the job market and resources.

Have you read The Heart of the Cheetah by Magatte Wade?

Here's the thing. We are not poorer due to immigration...we are poorer due to Tory austerity policies.

Yes they will and visas are fine, but that is separate to trafficking

It’s more the trafficking that I think will become increasingly problematic

You appear to be hanging out with the wrong people

It gets me cross! Just because people don't want a load of illegal immigrants does not mean they are racist!

Are you kidding?

We have a national debt that will soon become unserviceable.

Adding large numbers of people who are net beneficiaries of public money and not net contributors isn’t helping things.

Its just maths, not ‘racism’ to say this.

This and the indentured slaves who owe gangmasters ££££££

@rumnraisins

The cost of interest on the national debt is about the same as the Government spends on education.

Regardless of gets elected tomorrow there isn't any money left to do anything other than manage a slow but steady decline of the economy.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy"

Alexander Tytler late 1700's

We are poorer due to illegal immigration . It's costing millions every day and yes I agree the Tories have cut budgets to the bone .

Not here they're not.
Where do you live op?

It may mean they don't think they are 🤷🏻‍♀️

Immigration is not the problem this shitty government is!

x.com/jonathanpienews/status/1808078089370349656?s=46

What a stupid post.

So you think you can keep adding net beneficiaries forever and the pot of money will not get any smaller?

Interesting.

You seem to be discriminating towards voters. Any facts and figures to back your opinion?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/897408/Social-housing-Somali-refugee-family-2m-council-house-North-London-Islington/amp

Some staff at Treliske hospital Cornwall have portrayed their new influx of Nigerian hca's and cleaners as Zombies and once housed all going off sick with PTSD - is this the norm or just a bad batch

As Jon Snow said, anything before the word but is horse shit!

Wow this thread is cooked

Like, I know it's morally repugnant to buy a baby and untether it from its mother at birth but...