Lucy Letby ( To understand)

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What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

I don’t think so. They were high but not high enough to warrant the hospital investigating until pushed. There was no incentive to point the finger at LL. hospital would happily have swept it under the carpet.

Yes people saw her standing still. Panicking, trying to work out what was happening, not knowing what to do next, thinking through what to do next - who knows - we have absolutely no idea what was going on in her head. There is no evidence at all that any pause was malignant or intentional.

Yes I thought the same. Was she deliberately doing nothing because she was causing harm? Or did she have no confidence and poor skills? We will never know I guess.

I really don't like getting embroiled in controversial arguments . . . I'm not clever or knowledgeable enough, But I've been reading through this thread and I'm desperate to ask those of you who are arguing that LL is innocent . . .

If your tiny baby was in NICU, knowing what you know, would you want LL to look after your tiny, poorly baby?

Plus we are expected to believe that after seeing that not only did Dr jayram do nothing but also allowed Lucy letby to be alone with that same baby twice more to dislodge the tube to make it seem like baby k was doing it herself.

Oh but sure that's all totally irrelevant.....

She was framed by the doctors - the doctors who essentially begged for the situation to be investigated repeatedly, over months, while management did FA, and would have continued doing FA until they were forced to; (and while bring threatened with GMC investigation).

They're also wizards, these doctors, because they managed to kill babies by negligence & incompetence, right on their due dates, their milestone dates, their discharge dates, .. lots and lots of significant dates ..... That's some wizardry eh.

With skills like that, one wonders why they're wasting their time slogging on an NHS ward. Why wouldn't they just fix the lottery?

Yet when others were around she did not panic and freeze. Odd that it only happened when people caught her on her own yet when there were people watching she knew exactly what to do.

The hospital board called for the RCPCH investigation as soon as they were informed, and downgraded the unit.

Why the consultants and the managers of the unit had not informed the hospital they didn’t have the resources to be running a unit at level 2 is unknown.

Quite.

The milestone deaths weren't down to negligence, incompetence or understaffing. They were deliberate.

For the 30 thousandth time.

Surprise and suspicion is not certainty.

Even the doctors didn't know if it was deliberate initially.

It's not what any sane person expects of a young woman who's chosen nn care as her vocation.

It's not what any sane person expects of anyone.

They didn't know about 'nice" Lucy's little stash of notes and writings at home.

we have absolutely no idea what was going on in her head

We do actually.

Cause she helpfully wrote it down and was so arrogant and disordered that she didn't think her house would ever be searched.

Why do you keep saying garbage?

Or did she have no confidence and poor skills?

Why would they have been putting her forward for specialist training if they thought she couldn't master the basic skills in her role?

She certainly thought she was competent and confident when she told parents to trust her.

You strike me as someone who has read very very little about this case.

Every single person in prison or who commits any heinous could have the same logic applied. Operating outside of societal norms.
We often think murderers are born not made but who really knows.

That doesn't really tally with how she is portrayed (confident, good in a crisis).

I'm not a medical professional but I would have thought not calling for help is malignant.

In the case of Child K, not only did Letby just stand there, someone had actually disabled the alarm. So all the factors add up:

1. Alarm deliberately turned off by someone
2. Lucy just standing there and not helping or calling for help when help is very near
3. A 692 grams baby sedated with morphine having had their breathing tube dislodged, which is just not possible for baby to do by themselves

It's cumulative.

Stop trying to constantly imply that you are right and we are all wrong

Who's the we "all"?

There are two posters on this thread, out of many, who believe this is a miscarriage of justice.

One or two other posters have popped up with random comments that betray no real knowledge of the case, saying they have doubts.

That's it.

There is no "we all".

You are outliers.

At least Dr Jayaram has the self-awareness to say he should have said done more:

'We were beginning to get a reasonable amount of pressure from senior management at the hospital not to make a fuss. In retrospect, we were all grown-ups and we should have stood up and not listened.'

Mr Myers suggested Dr Jayaram 'did nothing' despite being suspicious of Letby.
'I resuscitated Baby K,' he replied. 'The truth of it is, we were thinking the unthinkable, We did not want to believe it. We did add it to our list of concerns we wanted to raise with hospital management. If ever I was in that situation again I would have no hesitation in bypassing the correct lines of communication.'

Lucy Letby is still in denial.

Knowing what went on in that unit I wouldn’t want my baby anywhere near it. It was only Level 2 in name, and should not have been taking babies of the prematurity and weight it was.

If you’re interested in the case listen to the podcast: “We need to talk about Lucy Letby” with a retired doctor; or read the blog by another retired doctor under the pseudonym Jamie Egan.: https://jameganx.notepin.co/ or read Rachel Avis’s article in the New Yorker.

That's not what she asked, Mirabai. She asked "If your tiny baby was in NICU, knowing what you know, would you want LL to look after your tiny, poorly baby?"

So would you?

That’s very much my impression from your posts as it happens.

Anyway I have to go, so you will have to talk amongst yourselves.

There are many forums on many types of social media where people think she is innocent. Mumsnet isn't the whole world.

There is really no need to be so rude and aggressive to people who are simply opening up reasonable debate and discussion. Miscarriages of justice can and do take place. It's perfectly reasonable to express thoughts that this could perhaps be what's happened here. Emphasis on perhaps as none of us can really know. We may be wrong and you may be wrong.

Maybe you should ask yourself why your posts keep getting deleted and amend the way you address people accordingly.