The "terrifying threat from Labour"

[BigWordAtlas]

I know that Tory HQ staff often come on here and post, and will be doing even more so at the moment.

I also know that Kier Starmer has done a terrible job in gender critical thinking, and members like him, Rayner and Lammy are currently an absolute shitshow when it comes to the rights and protections of women and children. I'm not looking forward to the battle we'll face after the election to reverse the damage that's been done and to protect those rights, and fully bring down all the MRA policies that have formally or informally kicked in over the last few years.

But does anyone else feel like the absolute barrage on here in the last few days about the Holy Bloody Handmaid Terror that will be Labour's government is a bit... overblown? A bit Tory HQ-flavoured? They're absolutely panicking at the moment and will do any kind of astroturfing they can to chip away at votes, particularly in swing constituencies like mine.

No party is perfect, and Labour is currently far from perfect for me and my children. But realistically, I have to vote Labour where I am if I want to keep a Tory candidate out. I hate their gender ID policies, but this nail-bitten tone of total and complete apocalypse (and yes, I've heard posters use that word in this context) feels unhelpful and not really equipping anyone to improve things after the GE. They made me feel extremely anxious until I just hit a wall with the frantic language, and now I'm feeling much more pragmatic and ready to fight with Labour on this stuff, rather than against them and allowing another party to get in.

So AIBU to feel that most of these posts are at least seeded by Tory HQ, rather than actual Labour voters like me?

<hard hat donned>

I fear the Keir Starmer has made a Faustian bargain with the hard left within the Labour Party which they have hidden from the electorate until after they are in government. Once there they will dictate what Keir Starmer can do. I still remember the winter of discontent in 1978 when Labour were in power and over powerful unions and the far left held the country to ransom and chaos ensued. My primary school closed for a month because no fuel was delivered to heat it due to strikes. The electricity would go off in the evenings mum would struggle to scrape a meal together and we would sit in the dark.

I spoke to my DPs yesterday about this and they said they remember the winter of discontent well including the mountains of rubbish piling up on the streets because the bin men were striking and how in some places the dead weren’t buried. They also said they felt intimidated in the factories they worked in to go along with the union position even if they didn’t agree because they would be bullied and cancelled otherwise. They are also fearful about what a Labour government beholden to the far left could do now. They said when Tony Blair got elected in 1997 it was in totally different circumstances. Tony Blair didn’t have a far left faction to contend with as Thatcher had reduced the power of the unions and Neil Kinnock had already dealt with the far left within the Labour Party. Blair had also inherited a healthy growing economy with money to spend on public services.

I agree public services and the NHS are in a state but I also believe far left activists within the civil service and NHS have been working to create and maintain chaos so the public will think this is all the Tories doing and I agree the Tories have been asleep at the wheel and not dealt with this. Once the Labour Party gets elected the far left will then pull the strings of their puppet Keir Starmer to dance to their tune
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

I remember Trade Unions too. I remember what power they had. There is absolutely no comparison to be made between then and now. You should buy a different newspaper.

I’ve worked in negotiating with trade unions in the very recent past.

I can confirm that they still operate in the same manner. Any strikes you see going on could easily be resolved if it were not for far left unions. I understand and agree with the need for unions but somehow they are like catnip for extreme socialist leaders hellbent on maximum destruction with no regard for the user of whatever service it is.

I read lots of different newspapers for a range of views and opinions including The Guardian, The Times, Daily Mirror,The telegraph, The Sun and The Daily Mail.

I can also make up my own mind.

So why are you worried about 1978? Starmer purged the party of the Left,and you'd know what's been going on if you read a broad range of papers.

@Mycatsmudge
I still remember the winter of discontent in 1978 when Labour were in power and over powerful unions and the far left held the country to ransom and chaos ensued.

That was 46 years ago! Organisations, including political parties and Trade Unions, change hugely in that time frame

If you go on conservative twitter (which to me seems totally unhinged but I understand it doesn’t to everyone) then it is quite interesting how they seem to seed themes (‘supermajority’ is the current one) that are basically aimed at causing fear, rather than talking about hope for the future.

labour also have some weird shit on theirs but I would say compared to the conservatives, much less wacky. I mean, the conservatives have a gif of Keirs head as a lightbulb, exploding, it’s fucking weird.

It does seem to be very much "Labour are worse" rather than "this is how we are good"

which all parties have been guilty of this cycle but at least the others actually advertise their policies also. All Conservatives seem to be on SM is talking about Labour.

Well the country is a smoking mess. There's nothing positive to say about their time in office. All they can do is say it will be worse. The cheek of them talking about women's rights when the Trans Trojan horse happened under their watch is astounding. Nevermind the devastation they've caused to women's lives through austerity.

So long as they are not the Tories, I couldn't give a monkeys what the next Govt. does.

You're right, don't care what's going on in private schools.

when will people realise that socialism doesn't work?!

Possibly when some of the richest, most successful, happy countries on the planet are not Socialist, and there's some element of truth to the garbage statement that "Socialism doesn't work?!"

How's 45 years of UK Neoliberalism "working" out? From where I'm standing, it's an absolute fucking shitshow.

conservatives have got a lot to sort but Labour omg .. they are a weird bunch
Their transgender mess is an insult to women and the transgender community

There will be no way I would have vote Labour .. Raynor is scary also .. Reeves couldn’t even describe a woman
look it up on Google .. just like Stammer she got in bits fgs … Nick Ferrari LBC radio interview.. Disturbing stuff
it comes to something when I need to think about the party I want absolutely categorically out than I want it and I’m willing to chance the tories again because with Labour we are doomed

agreed. which is why i hate women stating they are voting for the Tories because of womens rights... it's like ok cut your nose off to spit your face.

And what is scary about Angela Rayner?

@BigWordAtlas
FWIW I find myself largely in agreement with your points.

Well put.

No, it's a very good thing and sets an excellent example. People need real lives and that includes downtime.

Obviously they will wreck the economy Nah, the Tories did. Have you actually followed the news? Labour will stabilise and grow the economy.

But they will also do nothing to control immigration Like the Tories?

There's a lot of very stupid scaremongering and out and out lies here. Desperate is indeed the word.

No some of the hard left Corbynistas are still there having within the Labour Party. Why do you think Angela Rayner is his deputy but to keep him on the straight and narrow and unable to articulate straightforwardly what is a woman and there are others lurking in the background ready to pull his strings

But then in the not so distant past Labour were fielding a leader who wanted to take us back there

There are just over 200 Labour MPs. Which of them are currently trying to pull Starmer's strings and in what way have they succeeded so far?

I'm a closet TERF but have only been so for a couple of years - a baby Terf? I saw Lia Thomas win a women's swimming trophy, saw misogyny and have never been able to see anything else, other than homophobia, in the trans rights campaign.

But I will vote Labour. They've been blinded by the desire to be progressive (or their own misogyny) but they haven't been in power for 14 years - this shit was not on their watch. I blame the Tories for men in women's prisons and hospital wards - they are the government.

Finally, both men and women suffer under Tory rule. I'd rather get them out and then we'll fix trans ideology issues sensibly with the Labour Party.

None atm they aren’t in power