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Staying at home with kids IS a contribution and it is also WORK

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carshaker · 30/06/2024 08:00

A lot of people don't respect a mum who's ' just at home '. Like she's not really contributing to the family.

The reality is though, that it's very much a big contribution, even if it's not financial.

If you took away the financial risk of staying home long term, what's the issue with it? Why is it considered by many ( especially women ), less than ?

If this is a woman's choice, what's the issue ?

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LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:11

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 15:00

Keep telling yourself that.

I do hope your very important husband is making decent provision for your pension.

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Absolutely. He's paying very generously into a private pension in my name.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 30/06/2024 22:14

There are under 300k homes that have a pool in the UK, that is a very small circle. Grin

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:16

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 15:16

Plenty of people have EAs or indeed a full team of staff.

You pretty much are a single parent. How much time does he actually spend with your children? To use the hackneyed argument, why did he have children to outsource them to you?

I just don't understand this mindset because I see myself as at least equal to any man (and superior to a lot of them!!)

He's a perfectly good father, just a father with limitations. Does your husband have a condition that means you can't leave your children who aren't yet at an age that they can keep themselves safe with him? No, didn't know that was the case until we were married with children. Makes it much harder when you can't even shower without having to remind him to make sure he keeps an eye on the kids and doesn't get distracted so they don't have an accident.

Sleepydoor · 30/06/2024 22:22

MrsSunshine2b · 30/06/2024 22:10

OK got to pool care and realised that your circles and my circles do not overlap.

Just FYI most regular working families are not outsourcing much, if anything.

Is this thread only for “regular” families? I grew up working class so I am under no illusions but I do appreciate that everyone has different reasons for being a SAHM and I don’t think we should assume whether one person has it easier than another. We can’t just view this issue from our own experience and assume everyone has the same situation as us. I see a lot of people on this thread only wanting to address parents with neurotypical children without health issues, for instance. I think we can all make fewer judgments about each other’s choices.

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:24

Cangar · 30/06/2024 21:32

I find people either do masses (working or not) or nothing. If you want something done ask a busy person! The head of our PTA is also director of HR for a massive plc. The other person who does masses for the school and is a governor is a SAHM but sounds like you - she’s actually never at home she has some really high profile trustee type roles.

I did all those things when I was a SAHM but I did it for my kids whose faces lit up when they saw me at school during the day, and it turns out it's a really good way to keep the CV up. It doesn't just die and community involvement seems to be valued by employers. I also did two more degrees while at home.

Fizbosshoes · 30/06/2024 22:25

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 21:50

A lot of the school trip things/volunteering is because you find SAHMs hob knobbing at the school gates, and they all know each other, while WOHMs don't have time for that! Plus they don't have to use a day's precious annual leave!

That's understandable and I know that AL is probably saved for sports day etc pr school holidays....but then those who do have time eg the SAHP are enabling the trips and other activities to happen....alongside the teachers and school staff who are WOHP....so both benefit from each other.
I say this as someone who was a SAHP until my youngest started school and gradually worked from pt to FT as my DC got older.

SlopeT · 30/06/2024 22:26

carshaker · 30/06/2024 08:10

Yup. Also, she's enabling her husband to work by taking care of the house and kids.

If he didn't have her, he wouldn't be able to work or he'd have to pay someone else to look after his kids and keep the household.

It's totally a contribution to the family.

If he can afford to support his partner to do this, he can probably also afford to pay someone to do it.

it’s a vital role early years though I would say. Not so much when kids are older, particularly when teens etc. It’s a lifestyle choice then. Personally I would never want to be financially dependent on a man so it wasn’t for me.

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:27

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:16

He's a perfectly good father, just a father with limitations. Does your husband have a condition that means you can't leave your children who aren't yet at an age that they can keep themselves safe with him? No, didn't know that was the case until we were married with children. Makes it much harder when you can't even shower without having to remind him to make sure he keeps an eye on the kids and doesn't get distracted so they don't have an accident.

What condition is this exactly?

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:33

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:27

What condition is this exactly?

I don't feel the need to share that here. It can probably be inferred. He was still a good and involved father when he was home though and the kids got past the constant need of supervision stage, so it didn't last forever.

Sleepydoor · 30/06/2024 22:33

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 30/06/2024 22:14

There are under 300k homes that have a pool in the UK, that is a very small circle. Grin

I live in Canada. It’s not that unusual to have a pool here.

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:41

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:33

I don't feel the need to share that here. It can probably be inferred. He was still a good and involved father when he was home though and the kids got past the constant need of supervision stage, so it didn't last forever.

Edited

Reason for asking is that from your posts you are implying he is a high flyer, but he is not able to look after kids? Just curious as to what sort of role this is.

ceallachmint · 30/06/2024 22:41

I think personally no-one actually gives a shit unless your the type to call yourself a "full time mum" as opposed to mothers who work and also raise a family and keep a home. You never stop being a mother no matter where you work.
My children spend my working hours with grandparents who feel privellaged to look after their grandchildren and vice versa, thats also precious time and memories that are extremely important in a child's life.
Sometimes being a SAHM is a necessity, but it is in no comparison work wise to a mother who goes out to work, runs a house AND raises a family, especially once babies start going to nursery. IMO.

Sleepydoor · 30/06/2024 22:41

carshaker · 30/06/2024 08:00

A lot of people don't respect a mum who's ' just at home '. Like she's not really contributing to the family.

The reality is though, that it's very much a big contribution, even if it's not financial.

If you took away the financial risk of staying home long term, what's the issue with it? Why is it considered by many ( especially women ), less than ?

If this is a woman's choice, what's the issue ?

Well OP, I have RTFT and after 33 pages, I think it’s fair to say YANBU as this thread has proved.

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:41

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:41

Reason for asking is that from your posts you are implying he is a high flyer, but he is not able to look after kids? Just curious as to what sort of role this is.

His role is also a lot of personal information to ask for, but it doesn't involve looking after kids.

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:41

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:11

Absolutely. He's paying very generously into a private pension in my name.

Then you are very fortunate in one sense.

I would not be ok with all of the responsibility for family life and home, and all of the looking after the children. That would not be for me, or I suspect a lot of other people.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 30/06/2024 22:43

@Sleepydoor brrr 🥶

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:44

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:41

His role is also a lot of personal information to ask for, but it doesn't involve looking after kids.

That’s fine, but he doesn’t seem very capable.

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:44

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:41

Then you are very fortunate in one sense.

I would not be ok with all of the responsibility for family life and home, and all of the looking after the children. That would not be for me, or I suspect a lot of other people.

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Yes, I am, but it's also part of his plan to set us both up so, as a couple, we are better off collectively when the time comes. I've earned contributions myself, but it is minor compared to what he has put in.

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:44

Sleepydoor · 30/06/2024 22:33

I live in Canada. It’s not that unusual to have a pool here.

Ok, I've just put the heat on for half an hour!!! It's nearly July!! No point in a pool here!

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:45

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:44

Yes, I am, but it's also part of his plan to set us both up so, as a couple, we are better off collectively when the time comes. I've earned contributions myself, but it is minor compared to what he has put in.

Are you ok though with him basically not having a part in any family life?

Sleepydoor · 30/06/2024 22:45

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 30/06/2024 22:43

@Sleepydoor brrr 🥶

😆 it gets warm in the summer here, I swear!

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:46

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:44

That’s fine, but he doesn’t seem very capable.

Most people aren't capable in one area or other, it doesn't mean they aren't capable in others.

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/06/2024 22:46

Sleepydoor · 30/06/2024 22:22

Is this thread only for “regular” families? I grew up working class so I am under no illusions but I do appreciate that everyone has different reasons for being a SAHM and I don’t think we should assume whether one person has it easier than another. We can’t just view this issue from our own experience and assume everyone has the same situation as us. I see a lot of people on this thread only wanting to address parents with neurotypical children without health issues, for instance. I think we can all make fewer judgments about each other’s choices.

Indeed.

Some posters appear to want to restrict the conversation to able bodied/neurotypical kids simply because it it blows holes in their argument. All parents are equally entitled to a view.

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:47

Runnerinthenight · 30/06/2024 22:45

Are you ok though with him basically not having a part in any family life?

He has plenty of part in family life. Why wouldn't he? He works a standard full time week.

Leonora123 · 30/06/2024 22:49

LookingForEnergy · 30/06/2024 22:46

Most people aren't capable in one area or other, it doesn't mean they aren't capable in others.

Come on!

All these very senior high flying men who need their wives to stay at home as they cannot be trusted to even notice if their children are around?

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