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Are your in-laws like that too?

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FrenchMumUK · 27/06/2024 17:55

Dear community of mums,
I'd like to know how you deal with in-laws who cross the line -- I feel like I'm seeing different red flags, but maybe I'm being unreasonable.
At a brunch with my in-laws in Germany, my mother-in-law wanted to give my 9-month-old baby a pretzel and some cake. I refused, saying that pretzels are too salty, and that you don't give salt to a baby before they're one year old, nor sugar before they're 2. She rolled her eyes and asked what the problem was, so I explained "The doctor said so, not me! Salt is bad for the baby's immature kidneys". The aunt of my husband interjected: "But there's salt everywhere anyway!", and my mother-in-law added, "Yes, even in the ready-made purée you give him, there's salt! I explained: "No, we buy an organic, salt-free purée".

The next day, when they had to look after our baby while my husband and I were packing, my in-laws gave baby a piece of pretzel behind my back. I arrived just as he was eating it, was horrified and said "But he mustn't eat salt! It's bad for his kidneys!" My father-in-law retorted that he had removed the grains of salt. I replied that the dough is salty, and that the pretzel itself is cooked in a salty solution. My mother-in-law replied that she sees lots of babies in the street eating pretzels. I told her again (I had already explained this the day before) that it's not before 1 year. On top of that, my father-in-law retorted that our baby will be 1 year old in 3 months, so 3 months less won't change anything, and to add insult to injury my husband said that there's also salt in the bread when we give him crusts to chew on at home. I said "Yes, but not as much salt as in a pretzel". In short, I felt alone against everyone. How can I trust my parents-in-law if their own wishes take precedence over the paediatrician's medical considerations, the baby's health and their daughter-in-law's requests... it's an example of their constant interference, their need to control things and their lack of respect for boundaries. Similarly, when it came to the question of not kissing close to the ears, because for an adult it's already unpleasant, for a baby with fragile little ears it's even more so -- my father-in-law, instead of saying OK, argued endlessly: "But I'm not doing it loudly" (loud enough for me to hear him at the other end of the room), "and it's not that close to the ear. Anyway, it's over now as he's leaving us" (it was just before getting in the car to return to the UK).

Everything I say or do seems to be questioned by one or other of my in-laws:
"Why doesn't baby sleep in a cot? (I'm co-sleeping because I'm breastfeeding him) He would sleep better in a cot.
He needs to learn to sleep without suckling
He needs to learn to nap on his own
He needs to get used to falling asleep without the breast
How can sugar and salt harm him, there's salt in all foods anyway?
He needs to get used to staying in the pram / the car seat, even if he doesn't like it
He needs to learn to eat in his highchair, even if he makes a fuss." Etc etc
It's tiring to constantly hear comments and criticisms on every subject, while they on the other hand don't tolerate me interfering: during our stay, I discreetly removed a plastic aspirin tube from the playpen where our baby was playing, an aspirin tube that my in-laws had put there, and that I had seen baby bite shortly before. I removed it without baby noticing, after he'd dropped it, and explained to my father-in-law that I didn't want baby to eat plastic (he's only got 2 teeth, but he can gnaw on an apple core as effectively as a rabbit!). My father-in-law got annoyed that I interfered, said he had been very careful about the plastic tube, and when I went into the kitchen I could hear him from the kitchen saying to our baby: "You're looking for your tube everywhere, aren't you! Your mum took it! Yes, she took your tube, poor baby!"
5 seconds later he came into the kitchen to bitterly tell me that baby was very frustrated and that he was looking for his plastic tube everywhere because he used it to play music with it and it amused him a lot --- I mean, there were lots of toys in the playpen, I seriously doubt that our baby noticed that the aspirin tube was missing...
My in-laws are quick to criticise things that are none of their business, while they indulge in things that make me jump: letting baby put kitchen roll in his mouth (contains chlorine and formaldehyde), letting him licking their mobile phones, a plastic tube of aspirin...
In the bedroom where we slept over, my mother-in-law used shortly before our arrival a product on the carpet to clean it, that should not be used with a baby under 1.

On 2 occasions, my father-in-law practically blamed me for coming into the living room where he was playing with our baby. The baby squealed when he saw me and crawled towards me. My father-in-law said reproachfully, "Oh, he was so happy and we were having so much fun, but if mummy comes, of course..." I almost apologised for having entered the room where my son was.

They're really stifling parents, meddling in everything, having their say on absolutely everything, and criticising easily.
My parents had come from France to Germany to rent a B&B nearby, in order to see their grandson while we were visiting my German in-laws. Before they returned to France, my parents wanted to see us and the baby one last time on the day of their departure. We had a wedding planned for that morning, which wasn't very practical, but when we said good night that evening, we agreed to meet again the next morning in one way or another to say one last time goodbye. My husband and I were discussing afterwards what would be the most practical, he preferred that my parents drop by here before we left for the wedding, I found that too stressful and preferred that we meet my parents discreetly in the street during the wedding by slipping away for 5-10 minutes, which my husband didn't want to do out of respect for the bride and groom. He said "OK, how about we say that the farewell took place tonight, and that we won't be seeing your parents again tomorrow?" For some reason, my mother-in-law chimed in: "Yes, when I heard your parents's offer for tomorrow, I thought it wouldn't be practical for you to see them again tomorrow morning just before the wedding, you should have said so loud and clear when it came to it", to which I replied: "I was busy with the baby who was crying, I didn't think about it at the time, and anyway, 'you should have' 'you should have' well now it's too late, we agreed". She insisted: "Too late? Why is it too late? You pick up your phone and tell your parents that tomorrow is too stressful, and that you consider the goodbyes to have taken place tonight". At this point I had to control myself to remain polite... A) this was none of her business and B) she would have been extremely upset if the roles were reversed and we had done something like this to her. I said that my parents were delighted to see their grandson again before they left, that I couldn't do that to them, that I'd sneak out of the wedding for 5-10 minutes like when you go to the toilet and that it wouldn't be the end of the world.

And that's all there is to it, interfering again and again on every possible subject -- for years while I was battling SIBO and trying different diets to combat the disease, my mother-in-law was constantly criticising and questioning my approach, even though she had no idea whatsoever about either nutrition or the disease.
Every week, my father-in-law calls his son (my husband), and if it's while we're watching a film, he has to interrupt the film to take the call.
Before moving to the UK with my husband, I lived with him in Germany for 3 years. We lived 2hrs 40mins drive from my in-laws. We spent every weekend with them for 3 years. Every. F#cking. Weekend. From Friday evening to Sunday afternoon. I never managed to get my husband to let us spend just one weekend out of two. Moving to the UK has been an indescribable relief. It saved my sanity and our marriage -- in Germany, after 2 years of putting up with a sort of 3-way marriage with my in-laws, I'd ended up wondering whether I wouldn't be better off going back home to France. Unfortunately, my husband's work contract ends in a year, and I'm completely panicking. Neither time nor distance has changed anything in the domineering attitude of my in-laws, and I've spent more than one sleepless night at the prospect of moving back to Germany and returning to the suffocating cage that are my in-laws. They are immensely generous, incredibly helpful, I know we can count on them if we need anything, but isn't this a way of making the cage gilded? My husband doesn't want to extend his contract because he misses his family and friends. I feel like a barked animal at the prospect of returning to a way of life I thought I'd finally escaped by migrating to the UK. Is that how it is with in-laws? Or are mine particularly stifling? What would you do? Thank you so much for reading all the way through.

OP posts:
ExpectationsRunningHigh · 27/06/2024 18:11

I’d be more concerned about the choking hazard than the amount of salt they would consume with the amount of pretzel they would eat tbh. How do you manage no sugar at all until 2?
You can raise your child any way you like, and they should respect your wishes, even if it’s done with an eye roll, but it seems you don’t really like your in-laws. Would you feel so strongly about it if your own parents had given DC some pretzel? If, as DH said, they already ate bread at home with some salt in then it sounds as if it’s just that you feel your IL’s are the problem. Was DH happy enough with them being given a bite of pretzel?

Are your in-laws like that too?
Starzinsky · 27/06/2024 18:18

I didn't get to the end..such a long post but from what I read I do feel you are over reacting, and overly protective. It is an admirably thing to be so strong on feeding your baby good healthy food and 2 years without sugar would be an extremely rare achievement. Like with everything in life you need to find a balance. The odd treat will not make any difference in the long run when you see how much and what kids will eat over their childhood.

Beautifulbythebay · 27/06/2024 18:19

50 /50 batshittery in your post.. Just be glad they aren't living next door....

Kentuckycriedfrickin · 27/06/2024 18:22

It sounds like your personality and theirs don't particularly mesh well and because you're irritated by them, small issues become big issues.

Of course they should respect your boundaries with your baby and your husband should be backing you up on this, however worrying about the toxicity of kitchen roll and floor cleaner aren't typical concerns of most parents. For example, I wouldn't let my DC drink Flash or Zoflora but I wouldn't think twice about letting them cross a floor that's been cleaned using it. Licking a mobile phone? I can guarantee he will lick far worse before he's done.

Have you discussed with your husband what the plan will be for when his contract expires and your reluctance to return to Germany?

TwattyMcFuckFace · 27/06/2024 18:25

Sorry, I kind of gave up just over halfway through.

Does your husband back you up?

Refugenewbie · 27/06/2024 18:29

I think you come over as quite neurotic re your baby's exposure to chemicals but it's your baby.

I'm with you on the aspirin tube. Very silly.

I feel sorry for grandad when he was playing with the baby. You didn't do anything wrong but I understand his disappointment as that time is so precious.

Do not go back to Germany. It seems likely that your marriage will end and you'll be stuck there under the Hague Convention rules. Just don't go back.

Every single weekend was crazy. Why you went along with it I don't know.

Eviolle · 27/06/2024 18:30

I don't think she was wrong to tell you that sneaking out of a wedding to see your parents, who you'd seen the day before, was wrong.

You seem very, very over protective in most of these situations. I know that having an overbearing MIL can be difficult, and she may be a little overbearing, but I do think YABU here.

gojumpjump · 27/06/2024 18:31

From the half I read, you're both equally as hard work and both have areas to work on!

SonicTheHodgeheg · 27/06/2024 18:37

gojumpjump · 27/06/2024 18:31

From the half I read, you're both equally as hard work and both have areas to work on!

^^ I read it all and agree.

If you go back to Germany then I think you’re going back to more of the same treatment that you had in the past. (Why would they change when neither your husband or your ILs see anything wrong ?) Your child will eventually see nothing wrong with IL’s behaviour too.

Brefugee · 27/06/2024 18:39

CBA to wade through all that. What a lot of antiMIL antiGerman stuff.

It's hard with your PFB but it won't have hurt your child to have a small piece of any of what they were offering

bluebeck · 27/06/2024 18:40

I think you need to tell your husband there is no way you will move to Germany.

Justwingingit2005 · 27/06/2024 18:43

They need to respect your rules but I couldn't get worked up about kitchen roll or cake.
Once they start walking anything and everything will end up in a babies mouth.

ginasevern · 27/06/2024 18:45

You sound neurotic to be honest. However, the plastic asprin tube is a no no.

JurassicClark · 27/06/2024 18:45

They are stifling and you are overly precious; recipe for nothing but conflict if you move back to Germany.

TemuSpecialBuy · 27/06/2024 18:53

This is a wall of text I have 2 kids and a life so can’t read it all.

I'd like to know how you deal with in-laws who cross the line

you set boundaries on the important stuff and you make sure your husband is on side.

you so sound a bit ott on some of it So maybe unclench a bit? And stop sweating the small stuff?
because a lot of it is harmless (cake is not a hill to die on) and you cannot have enough people to love your kids

SOxon · 27/06/2024 18:54

O my what a Saga - OP you sound almost hysterical.
why don’t you make your own puree and why is a 9month old having puree anyway? if you have a mouli or blender you can regulate the consistency of baby’s food

a precedent has been set with your in laws which you tacitly agreed to every weekend with them, which is not normal, healthy for a young marriage and family bonding

I don’t know if your inlaws are particularly stifling but it seems they don’t have any choice seeing as you spend so much time with them, telling them off in their own home

A pretzel seems an odd thing to give a baby, as does cake, (crumbs and choking)

I guess they dont want your little boy to grow up a fussy eater who can’t shan’t won’t eat anything your inlaws feed him as he has been so thoroughly programmed not to that only celery is permitted (boiled)

Or at home, whingeing and pushing his plate away, afraid of chemicals,
unusual aromas, different foods touching each other, so that
he will end up like the Jack Nicholson character in “As good as it gets”

sandyhappypeople · 27/06/2024 18:59

Why on earth would you spend from Friday to Sunday with them every weekend for three years when you lived there? are you a passenger in your own life? why didn't you just pack DH off and stayed at home?

Apart from that, some of your concerns are valid, and some are over the top bordering on neurosis to the casual observer, they seem to not be able to tell the difference anymore so anything you say now they just see as completely ridiculous, even when you have a point.. you probably could have solved that by picking your battles more carefully but you seem to have lost all sight of what is important, so they are ignoring your wishes completely.

I'm astounded you planned a visit to your in laws then invited your parents to come along at the same time, that seems utterly bizarre.

SOxon · 27/06/2024 19:05

@sandyhappypeople or for the French parents to visit the weekend of a wedding ? so that OP feels she can spare them 10 mins by sneaking off which is also utterly bizarre.
So much so that I am wondering if this is real…
or a combination of many different scenarios, enmeshed perhaps

diddl · 27/06/2024 19:17

when they had to look after our baby while my husband and I were packing,

😂😂😂

firstswear · 27/06/2024 19:52

This sounds like a pfb syndrome mixed with eat dirt lax grandparents. Recipe to grind each other's nerves. You need to chill and put reasonable boundaries in and they need to respect it but both sides need to do this without stepping on each other's toes with ridiculous requests.

Goldengirl123 · 28/06/2024 09:47

Are you suffering from PND? I don’t mean to be unkind but you are really over reacting. How would you even know that a carpet cleaner wasn’t safe for a child under 1? A bit of salt on a pretzel is not going to harm your child. It’s not as if it’s every day.

I really do agree that grandparents should not overrule you when making choices for your child but you are really being excessive

I think the advice about your child sleeping on its own and falling asleep on its own is good advice.

I really think there are underlying issues here.

FrenchMumUK · 28/06/2024 10:49

I have no idea how to reply to each person individually. Kudos to those of you who read till the end... It was a terribly long post, I do apologise. I guess my written diarrhoea is due to the panic at the prospect of moving back to Germany. I do like my in-laws. They are good people. What I do not like is their crossing boundaries, preaching, & interfering on topics that are none of their business. German pretzels are really salty compared to bread, hence my concern as the pediatrician had insisted on no salt. I didn't raise my voice, shouted or anything when I saw that my in-laws had gone behind my back to give pretzel to baby. Had it been my parents who had done that, I would not have shown the same restraint in my reaction.
Concerning the request not to let baby chew on kitchen roll, I asked timidly, again, I never tell them off or anything.
Why my parents were there at the same time: our two families had never met, so this was the opportunity for them to meet each other and see their grandson at the same time.

OP posts:
BingoMarieHeeler · 28/06/2024 10:52

Wow that was a massive post. I gave up at the ear kissing. I have never heard of such a thing. Are you worried kisses near the ears will damage the baby’s hearing?

Youre both being OTT - you’re being neurotic and they are being unsupportive and undermining. And patronising probably too.

BingoMarieHeeler · 28/06/2024 10:53

Also FWIW all my children have basically lived off marmite toast since they were about 6 months old and they’re all good!

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 10:56

Didn’t read your whole post tbh.

I get you, though. My MIL is German and pretzels are very salty (I think some posters may be thinking of the small baked snacks rather than the poached bread rolls?)

Salt was my red line, too. Was extremely careful unt they were around 2 and never added salt to their meals. I really wouldn’t worry about cake/sugar though. Artificial sweeteners are far, far worse imo.

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