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Are your in-laws like that too?

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FrenchMumUK · 27/06/2024 17:55

Dear community of mums,
I'd like to know how you deal with in-laws who cross the line -- I feel like I'm seeing different red flags, but maybe I'm being unreasonable.
At a brunch with my in-laws in Germany, my mother-in-law wanted to give my 9-month-old baby a pretzel and some cake. I refused, saying that pretzels are too salty, and that you don't give salt to a baby before they're one year old, nor sugar before they're 2. She rolled her eyes and asked what the problem was, so I explained "The doctor said so, not me! Salt is bad for the baby's immature kidneys". The aunt of my husband interjected: "But there's salt everywhere anyway!", and my mother-in-law added, "Yes, even in the ready-made purée you give him, there's salt! I explained: "No, we buy an organic, salt-free purée".

The next day, when they had to look after our baby while my husband and I were packing, my in-laws gave baby a piece of pretzel behind my back. I arrived just as he was eating it, was horrified and said "But he mustn't eat salt! It's bad for his kidneys!" My father-in-law retorted that he had removed the grains of salt. I replied that the dough is salty, and that the pretzel itself is cooked in a salty solution. My mother-in-law replied that she sees lots of babies in the street eating pretzels. I told her again (I had already explained this the day before) that it's not before 1 year. On top of that, my father-in-law retorted that our baby will be 1 year old in 3 months, so 3 months less won't change anything, and to add insult to injury my husband said that there's also salt in the bread when we give him crusts to chew on at home. I said "Yes, but not as much salt as in a pretzel". In short, I felt alone against everyone. How can I trust my parents-in-law if their own wishes take precedence over the paediatrician's medical considerations, the baby's health and their daughter-in-law's requests... it's an example of their constant interference, their need to control things and their lack of respect for boundaries. Similarly, when it came to the question of not kissing close to the ears, because for an adult it's already unpleasant, for a baby with fragile little ears it's even more so -- my father-in-law, instead of saying OK, argued endlessly: "But I'm not doing it loudly" (loud enough for me to hear him at the other end of the room), "and it's not that close to the ear. Anyway, it's over now as he's leaving us" (it was just before getting in the car to return to the UK).

Everything I say or do seems to be questioned by one or other of my in-laws:
"Why doesn't baby sleep in a cot? (I'm co-sleeping because I'm breastfeeding him) He would sleep better in a cot.
He needs to learn to sleep without suckling
He needs to learn to nap on his own
He needs to get used to falling asleep without the breast
How can sugar and salt harm him, there's salt in all foods anyway?
He needs to get used to staying in the pram / the car seat, even if he doesn't like it
He needs to learn to eat in his highchair, even if he makes a fuss." Etc etc
It's tiring to constantly hear comments and criticisms on every subject, while they on the other hand don't tolerate me interfering: during our stay, I discreetly removed a plastic aspirin tube from the playpen where our baby was playing, an aspirin tube that my in-laws had put there, and that I had seen baby bite shortly before. I removed it without baby noticing, after he'd dropped it, and explained to my father-in-law that I didn't want baby to eat plastic (he's only got 2 teeth, but he can gnaw on an apple core as effectively as a rabbit!). My father-in-law got annoyed that I interfered, said he had been very careful about the plastic tube, and when I went into the kitchen I could hear him from the kitchen saying to our baby: "You're looking for your tube everywhere, aren't you! Your mum took it! Yes, she took your tube, poor baby!"
5 seconds later he came into the kitchen to bitterly tell me that baby was very frustrated and that he was looking for his plastic tube everywhere because he used it to play music with it and it amused him a lot --- I mean, there were lots of toys in the playpen, I seriously doubt that our baby noticed that the aspirin tube was missing...
My in-laws are quick to criticise things that are none of their business, while they indulge in things that make me jump: letting baby put kitchen roll in his mouth (contains chlorine and formaldehyde), letting him licking their mobile phones, a plastic tube of aspirin...
In the bedroom where we slept over, my mother-in-law used shortly before our arrival a product on the carpet to clean it, that should not be used with a baby under 1.

On 2 occasions, my father-in-law practically blamed me for coming into the living room where he was playing with our baby. The baby squealed when he saw me and crawled towards me. My father-in-law said reproachfully, "Oh, he was so happy and we were having so much fun, but if mummy comes, of course..." I almost apologised for having entered the room where my son was.

They're really stifling parents, meddling in everything, having their say on absolutely everything, and criticising easily.
My parents had come from France to Germany to rent a B&B nearby, in order to see their grandson while we were visiting my German in-laws. Before they returned to France, my parents wanted to see us and the baby one last time on the day of their departure. We had a wedding planned for that morning, which wasn't very practical, but when we said good night that evening, we agreed to meet again the next morning in one way or another to say one last time goodbye. My husband and I were discussing afterwards what would be the most practical, he preferred that my parents drop by here before we left for the wedding, I found that too stressful and preferred that we meet my parents discreetly in the street during the wedding by slipping away for 5-10 minutes, which my husband didn't want to do out of respect for the bride and groom. He said "OK, how about we say that the farewell took place tonight, and that we won't be seeing your parents again tomorrow?" For some reason, my mother-in-law chimed in: "Yes, when I heard your parents's offer for tomorrow, I thought it wouldn't be practical for you to see them again tomorrow morning just before the wedding, you should have said so loud and clear when it came to it", to which I replied: "I was busy with the baby who was crying, I didn't think about it at the time, and anyway, 'you should have' 'you should have' well now it's too late, we agreed". She insisted: "Too late? Why is it too late? You pick up your phone and tell your parents that tomorrow is too stressful, and that you consider the goodbyes to have taken place tonight". At this point I had to control myself to remain polite... A) this was none of her business and B) she would have been extremely upset if the roles were reversed and we had done something like this to her. I said that my parents were delighted to see their grandson again before they left, that I couldn't do that to them, that I'd sneak out of the wedding for 5-10 minutes like when you go to the toilet and that it wouldn't be the end of the world.

And that's all there is to it, interfering again and again on every possible subject -- for years while I was battling SIBO and trying different diets to combat the disease, my mother-in-law was constantly criticising and questioning my approach, even though she had no idea whatsoever about either nutrition or the disease.
Every week, my father-in-law calls his son (my husband), and if it's while we're watching a film, he has to interrupt the film to take the call.
Before moving to the UK with my husband, I lived with him in Germany for 3 years. We lived 2hrs 40mins drive from my in-laws. We spent every weekend with them for 3 years. Every. F#cking. Weekend. From Friday evening to Sunday afternoon. I never managed to get my husband to let us spend just one weekend out of two. Moving to the UK has been an indescribable relief. It saved my sanity and our marriage -- in Germany, after 2 years of putting up with a sort of 3-way marriage with my in-laws, I'd ended up wondering whether I wouldn't be better off going back home to France. Unfortunately, my husband's work contract ends in a year, and I'm completely panicking. Neither time nor distance has changed anything in the domineering attitude of my in-laws, and I've spent more than one sleepless night at the prospect of moving back to Germany and returning to the suffocating cage that are my in-laws. They are immensely generous, incredibly helpful, I know we can count on them if we need anything, but isn't this a way of making the cage gilded? My husband doesn't want to extend his contract because he misses his family and friends. I feel like a barked animal at the prospect of returning to a way of life I thought I'd finally escaped by migrating to the UK. Is that how it is with in-laws? Or are mine particularly stifling? What would you do? Thank you so much for reading all the way through.

OP posts:
SonicTheHodgeheg · 28/06/2024 11:20

My experience of living in Germany is that it’s more accepted to comment on other’s parenting. I’m from the UK and quickly got used to people asking where my baby’s hat was or why are my kids collecting conkers (not a thing where we lived)

My kids are now adults and I’ve not had nearly as many comments here in the UK.

PaintDiagram · 28/06/2024 11:29

One family said sarcastically ‘how on earth are we expected to remember all these rules and regulations’ just in conversation to the wider family.

Another member of the family said ‘well that’s not OP fault you’ve got a bad memory, maybe you could try writing them down’.

Guess who is allowed to babysit and trusted with my DD. Guess who isn’t.

All my rules and regulations are just current guidance. I also don’t believe that having full rein to play dolly with my DD is a right.

Hillarious · 28/06/2024 11:52

In time, I think the OP will turn into a similar kind of MIL

brunettemic · 28/06/2024 11:54

Honestly you both sound ridiculous.

Justcallmebebes · 28/06/2024 11:59

I kind of agree with OP about the pretzel issue but not the licking a mobile etc. That will be the least of her worries once the baby is mobile

I am questioning why people are saying the aspirin tube is a no-no as I'm assuming it was empty

ThatsMeYoureTalkingAbout · 28/06/2024 12:11

The problem is that you are absolutely neurotic so they aren't listening because you are OTT about everything and it comes across as ridiculous:

If it was one or two things, ie pretzels, then I'm sure they'd be listening!

kindlyensure · 28/06/2024 12:14

Oh gosh. That was exhausting to read, so I am taking a deep breath and I suggest you do too! Your panic and anxiety is palpable. Some of your concerns are reasonable, some are a little extreme (the ear kissing for eg!) I have a German mother who is very opinionated and direct but also loving and generous, so I do recognise something of what you are saying.

It's the age-old advice on MN though - you have a DH problem. WHAT was he thinking with all the weekend visits? He needs to have your back and you should have a conversation about expectations before your move. If he doesn't listen to your concerns then yes, I'm with previous posters. Think v carefully about moving back with him. The life you describe in Germany previously is not sustainable for you.

CortieTat · 28/06/2024 12:20

Ive not read your whole post because I work full time, have kids and a life. You come across as extremely neurotic overprotective and bordering on OCD which can be much, much more damaging to children than a bit of salt.

Kindly, pick your battles and set your boundaries. Learn to differentiate between important and unimportant.

My kids are very sporty, healthy and have excellent diet, but when we did BLW with each of them at 9 months of age they ate what we ate. It happens that we don’t eat pretzels or similar snacks but if we did they would get a bit. Definitely no honey till they are 12 months old, the rest is common sense.

Purplecatshopaholic · 28/06/2024 12:24

gojumpjump · 27/06/2024 18:31

From the half I read, you're both equally as hard work and both have areas to work on!

This. You both sound batshit just in different ways! However, your baby, your rules - if they don’t respect your preferences they don’t get left alone with the baby.

Sweetvalleyhigh1234 · 28/06/2024 12:26

Op I'm sorry I couldn't read the whole post it was too long for me but I got the jist of it. I don't think it matters if it was salt or sugar, if you're being over the top or not the bottom line is you're the mum and you decide . If you said no salt then it's no salt. End of. Coming from a set of inlaws that are the same when it comes to respect (or lack of) I can say that you 100 per cent should not explain your choices .. don't harp on about the kidneys. Just stand firm you're mum and you don't want your child having salt . With all due respect even if ppl agree or not , you hardly said anything out of this world that they cant get their heads around. Your partner also needs to stand up to them if he hasn't already done so. Me personally never left the kids alone with them for this reason and they knew it too. Consider not leaving baby with them for now.

Spudthespanner · 28/06/2024 12:31

Another here who couldn't make it through the whole post. You all sounds absolutely fucking bonkers and I feel sorry for your son growing up around all this bullshit.

Misthios · 28/06/2024 12:41

You are as bad as they are.

Yes they should be respecting your boundaries, even if they think those boundaries are batshit crazy. But you ARE batshit crazy losing your shit about a baby coming into contact with kitchen paper, being enormously restrictive about salt/sugar, or carpet cleaning, or being kissed on the ears, or being allowed to play with a (presumably empty) tube that contained aspirin. I can totally see why your very rigid and quite frankly overprotective ideas are causing friction.

redalex261 · 28/06/2024 12:43

Yeah, another vote for 50/50 unreasonableness. You WILL have to relax regarding what your child eats and touches over time or you will end up in a psychiatric ward. The major issue seems to me to be what happens when you return to Germany. You must insist that your family does not spend every weekend with the in-laws. Make that a red line. Some of the other stuff? It’s fine to have rules but let the little things go. People do have strong opinions on co-sleeping, babies learning to eat independently (what’s wrong with a high chair at 9 months?) Perhaps they see this as advice as they obviously see some of your behaviour as odd. You don’t like some of their practices. Ultimately, it’s your kid, so overall your rules should apply. You need yo have a blunt discussion with husband and get him on side.

Yourethebeerthief · 28/06/2024 12:50

Misthios · 28/06/2024 12:41

You are as bad as they are.

Yes they should be respecting your boundaries, even if they think those boundaries are batshit crazy. But you ARE batshit crazy losing your shit about a baby coming into contact with kitchen paper, being enormously restrictive about salt/sugar, or carpet cleaning, or being kissed on the ears, or being allowed to play with a (presumably empty) tube that contained aspirin. I can totally see why your very rigid and quite frankly overprotective ideas are causing friction.

Definitely. Your in-laws may well be reacting to your mad notions and telling them off for every single thing they do. Perhaps they've decided there's no winning you over so they've become resentful and sarcastic towards you.

Sweetleftfood · 28/06/2024 12:54

yeh sure, if true you are totally overreacting and being the most ott pfb ever but good luck

ricestardust · 28/06/2024 13:17

"We spent every weekend with them for 3 years. Every. F#cking. Weekend. From Friday evening to Sunday afternoon. I never managed to get my husband to let us spend just one weekend out of two."

^This is the problem. Ofc, you are most likely overwhelmingly panicked at the thought of resuming this tiresome trek. Everything else is kinda a molehill made into a mountain. Your spouse should not be dragging you (and now baby) away from home, every weekend. Y'all cannot be the in-laws only source of weekend entertainment - do they not have any friends or hobbies or even chores to occupy them at the weekends? It's incredible that you didn't get to spend even one weekend at home in the course of 3 whole years.

Intriguedbythis · 28/06/2024 13:54

I actually think you’re being totally reasonable

i share the same ideas about kitchen roll, salt and sugar before year 1 etc

they sound super annoying and goading

don’t go back there !!

yikesanotherbooboo · 28/06/2024 14:19

The two things I kept in my mind when receiving unasked for advice from close relatives were firstly that a child cannot have too many people loving them and secondly that there isn't only one right way to do things hence cultural differences.

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 28/06/2024 14:57

this is definitely a two-to-tango situation. They do sound a bit overbearing and without a doubt your Dh seems to have a weirdly enmeshed relationship if you were travelling 2.5 hours every weekend to see them pre kids.

But you are also really paranoid and excessive and have a severe case of PFBitis. You definitely need to chill out. Yes, salt isn't great for babies, but no paediatrician truly expects you to manage to eliminate it 100%. Similarly, panicking about cleaning materials used the day before you even arrived? Way OTT. Plastic tubes - eh, can't get worked up.

If it's any consolation, while I was never as PFB as you, we did obsessively steralise and wash everything for DC1, we monitored him like a hawk when he was eating etc etc. None of that happened for DC2!

mondaytosunday · 28/06/2024 15:04

The salt and sugar thing I think you are being way OTT, but they should respect your wishes. But I do agree with:
Needs to learn to go to sleep on their own, without being BF to sleep, sit in a high chair, be in their pram etc etc. I BF my babies too and they slept in their own rooms from the first night home and it was not an issue as I only had to go up once, on the rare occasion twice, after sleepy feed at my bedtime. They slept on their own, did not BF to sleep because I never allowed it.
As for some other stuff - yes I understand if baby is playing happily then stay away for a bit! As for them calling your husband- jeez in my husband said I couldn't talk to my parents at any given time he'd get short shrift!. And speak to your husband if you want more boundaries with your in laws.

IWillBeWaxingAnOwl · 28/06/2024 15:12

Your in laws are overbearing, critical and passive aggressive, your husband is unsupportive. However, you are also unreasonable at times in what you believe will or won't keep your infant safe.

You are correct that you should avoid foods with added salts and sugar.
Kissing your child beside the ear won't harm them. The only potential harm from face kissing is diseases. Definitely the volume of noise won't be harmful!
As long as you are following safe sleep guidance, co sleeping is fine.
Independent sleep develops over time.
Plastic aspirin tubes are not a safe toy
Licking kitchen roll is not going to harm him.

On all the above things, your in laws should follow the parent's guidance. Your husband and you should have agreed how you will parent your son and should back one another up. You should have an agreement on how often you see family. The solve here is in aligning yourself and your husband

Aquamarine1029 · 28/06/2024 15:26

Your marriage sounds unbearable to me. Your husband is a useless man baby and your in-laws are fucking horrendous. I will be honest that you also seem a bit tightly strung, but your in-laws are very disrespectful. You, your husband and his parents together are like a giant pressure cooker.

AGlinnerOfHope · 28/06/2024 15:39

Is English your first language OP? You seem to have some concerns that are not considered as worrisome in the UK- the kissing near the ear, for example.

I find German people can be very direct. They see no issue with contradicting you, or telling you that you are doing it wrong. It isn't usual to take that personally, just hold your ground and repeat- No, I am following current advice.

I think you are feeling attacked and undermined when they think they are just advising you and behaving out of love for their DC. It's not aimed at you.

I can see why you'd find it irritating- you'll have to either avoid returning or learn to let it wash over uou.

Staringatthewalljustmeagain · 28/06/2024 15:40

If you’d led with your drippy H making you spend EVERY weekend with his horrible parents, rather than the weird PFB stuff, I think you’d have got the replies you wanted.

pizzaHeart · 28/06/2024 16:19

I went quickly through your post but a few things struck me in it:

  1. every weekend????? F* that . It’s very wrong they should have their own life and you - your own .
  2. my baby - my rules. If grandparents don’t follow my rules - I don’t trust them with my child.
  3. in laws or parents don’t take part in the discussions which are mine and my DH’s business - for this reason I don’t discuss anything like this in front of them.

However saying these you might be wrong in some rules or overreacting but people are different and have different values. I’m very careful with chemicals around babies whatever people are saying, babies are tiny and their immune system is still developing so I don’t like them to come into contact with something nasty even in small amounts.
Don’t move to Germany, You have an issue with your DH. It’s difficult to pinpoint it but there is an issue. It seems that he hasn’t cut his umbilical cord yet. Is he the only child? ( apologies if this was mentioned already) .
Come back here for more specific advice for different issues but don’t move to Germany at this stage, it won’t end rosy.