Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

What is concerning is that the outer looniverse that is the Conservative Party rejected Sunak for Truss. What on earth makes their judgment good????

From a facile POV and as a former PR POV, I think SKS's presentation is pretty much perfect. The navy smart casual ensembles are perfectly calibrated.

I am a centrist. I have voted conservative and labour. I am voting labour in this election. But if I am do fed up of the many lies being told on here. If you want to debate about different parties at least do so from a place of honesty. Instead so many posters seem to assume anyone reading is a bit thick and will just believe any old lie. It is so disappointing.

@Greenismyfav / you just told an actual lie about Keir Starmer. Are you ignorant or purposefully misleading people?

Ah well, my post was an epic fail 😬 I am of course aware JP isn't in the shadow cabinet. My point still stands though...I believe there are much better people in the Labour party that could be leading it.

I also didn't realise until last week that KS had been a Human Rights lawyer because he always bleats on about his time in the CPS. I'd probably admire him more if he spoke more about the former rather than the latter. I also found it a little contradictory. I can't work out if he's another Tory in disguise! For that reason I'll go even further Left than I may have done if I believed that Labour were what they should be.

Yes it is. Actually telling lies is not on, looking at you @Greenismyfav

Diane Abbot?
No but she'll still get in
Shit constuency MP
All about her. Terrible Prat
I'm so sorry Poop person

Starmer is just so vague on policy. He cant
answer direct questions with a direct answer. It makes swing voters like me hard to win over.

I remember the old labour government under Blair and Brown.. borrow borrow borrow.. spend spend spend.

I also worry about what labour aren’t saying. I think it will be a very left government.

Great @orangepostbox . I want a centrist government. No longer bothered about Socialist/Tory. I don't want the extremes.

But wouldn’t you class Rayner as extremely to the left? She was very much an ally of Corbyn, and he’s as far to the left as anyone can be. Is Starmer strong enough to control the far left element of his party? They’re keeping in the wings at the moment just waiting for him to get in, but I suspect they will try to replace him once he enters number 10.

I agree. Which si why I support Starmer. He is a centrist like me.

@Livelovebehappy nearly all the extreme left have been expelled from the labour party or left. They are no longer part of the party. It is why membership of labour has fallen.

Agree with you IClaudine

If there was a choice to vote for a leader and a local representative, I would choose Starmer nationally and the local LibDem candidate.

Yes this. That's why I would be reluctant to vote Labour if Angela Rayner was leader. I do like her quite a lot, but she is a bit too far left, (as has been said, she is a Corbyn supporter.) And I feel Starmer is more centrist and balances out the far left in the party a bit - so it's more centrist.

Perplexed. Where’s the lie? Did I not mention that his father was a toolmaker too? I’ve nothing against the guy, apart from his inability to convincingly declare that the defends the rights of biological women. On all other grounds I’d vote for him.

True. Let's face it, most normal/ordinary people don't want any extremes. Far left and far right are (like someone once said) 2 cheeks of the same arse.

Rayner is ok but does anyone else find Wes Streeting really sinister?

I think your memory might be failing you here. Yes, borrowing went up massively once the 2008 recession hit but, between 1997-2007, borrowing (as a percentage of GDP) was largely the same as it had been under Major and Thatcher.

Oooooh that’s a good saying

I think that’s the opposite of what Galloway meant. He was bemoaning the lack of difference between the Tories and Labour since Labour has shifted to the centre.

It’s not a marginal issue, it’s not about trans rights, it’s about the rights of 50% of the population. Anything but marginal!

One of my favourites!

And I agree Wes Streeting is a bit odd. Can't put my finger on it why.........

@Greenismyfav I explained why it was a lie about Starmer.

He just seems dead behind the eyes, hard to explain but he reminds me of a ventriloquist dummy