Anyone else wobbling about voting Labour?

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I desperately want to GTTO but the last few years have taught me that ‘any change’ isn’t always good and things can get worse, even if you think they can’t.

I’ve watched all the debates now and Starmer is so… wet. I don’t like him. The first thing he did when women’s rights were mentioned his first thought was men who ‘identify as women’ and how ‘marginalised’ they are. When asked about immigration he squirmed and squirmed before muttering about his role as DPP (who cares? We want to know what you plan to do NOW). When asked about his support for Corbyn he said ‘but I didn’t think we would actually win..’

There’s something about him which is making me very uncomfortable and I just have a bad feeling now about what would happen if he was leader.

Anyone else? If you’re not voting Tory or Labour, who are you voting for and why? I assumed I would vote Labour this time but my gut is suddenly screaming at me not to!

Just reposting, because this matters.

Add to this the amount of fraud the audit committee has found £5b under Boris Johnson and £21b in Sunak's first 4m of term and I cant understand why anyone is dithering.

I hear you and agree about KS but with the motivation of GTTO have postal voted labour already.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Unless there is a freak 47-recount result in your constituency that ends up being decided by a toss of a coin, your one vote is only between you and yourself. It's not like you're deciding whether or not to get married or take some other life-changing decision.

I know people who voted for Brexit and now feel terrible about it, with actual guilt. But that's not very sensible. It's not like the referendum was decided by one vote. On 5 July Starmer or Sunak will be Prime Minister, and some man or woman will be your local MP. And then a thousand things will happen in politics before the next election, 950 of which could probably not be predicted anyway.

I'm not trying to be nihilist here, by the way. Everyone should vote, and everyone's vote is important. But nobody should feel that if they vote for what turns out three years down the line to have been, with hindsight, for the wrong party, they ought to feel bad about it.

No one gives a flying shit that you intend it as a "protest". It counts as a vote in their support and that's the sum total of it.

There is not "I'm casting this vote for these rapid Nazis as a protest not because I support them" box for you to tick.

Spoil you paper if you want to register a protest.

You're being disingenuous. You know that won't happen. Even when the Lib Dems got enough seats to form a coalition, it was clear within weeks they had no power and were quite happy to be "in government" but do exactly as they were told.

I'm on one of the few Scottish Tory constituencies.
I will be voting SNP ..not because I particularly want independence but their views on Palestine.

Because both of the two likely choices are rubbish.

Tories are awful. I've never voted for them and I won't. But Labour aren't going to be any better.

So what do people do? They get told it's a wasted vote to go with anyone else (I don't think it is personally, enough people go elsewhere, it's no longer a two horse race), but both "options" make them sad?

No, quite convinced.

I work with children. I see the damage running the education system and other supporting services is having, especially on those children who need it most.

I know what my priorities are and will be voting labour.

@Dibbydoos and @IwillNOTplayfastandloosewithpublicfinances , Brexit happened not because of the Leave voters, but because of the people who assumed they didn't need to vote because they couldn't be arsed or because they thought Remain was going to win.

It would happen if enough people did it.

That's the point in voting.

This doesn’t surprise me. Many people make assumptions about Reform that are unfair.

No vote is wasted. If you spoil your ballot paper, it still counts.

Reform are anything but liberal. A terrible party that would only benefit the super rich.

So who will ‘do Brexit right’ exactly? Farage?

The same Farage who spent his adult life agitating for Brexit and then RETIRED the day after the vote?

You couldn’t make it up.

I've voted (postal), conservative. My local MP is principled, hardworking and a really good man. He has helped me enormously on various issues in the last four years, so I've voted conservative for the first time in my 50 odd years.

I used to be a Labour party member, left after Corbyn's antics and don't feel inclined to return.

Considered myself politically homeless last time around. I've voted for my best (imo) local candidate.

I am very confused by Starmer's alleged psychopathic tendencies.

Did he say 'let the bodies pile high'?

Did he oversee austerity?

Must have missed his psychopathic rampages.

I can’t vote for Labour, as Starmer seems to believe that women can have a penis.

You know there are Tories with those views as you characterise them, right?

I can’t think of anyone who seems less like a psychopath than Kier Starmer.

He’s reassuringly dull as ditchwater. Exactly what we need after the succession of clowns the Tories have put up.

There's a saying.

It's always the quiet ones.

There's a reason it's a saying.

Okay in that case I will vote for them to irritate self righteous Labour voters. Am I allowed to do that? Pretty please 😂

I think that's a distortion of what he believes. I think it's fair to say he just believes in treating everyone decently.

Vote for whoever you want for whatever reason you want.

But if you've voted for them for any reason other than that being who you want in power, all you've done is screwed yourself when the others get in and the policies go against you.

He’ll have to decide at some point what to do. Even if he uses this line as a placeholder until after the GE

@SpindleyDindley , vote for whoever you like. It's a democracy.