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Would you be able to be honest with this mum

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dilemalema · 24/06/2024 13:05

Hello

So my dd has had a male best friend (let's call him Dave) since beginning of primary school. They are now in secondary school and have remained friends but not best friends.

We have spent lots of time with this family over the years and it's all been great. Dd and Dave were always round at each other's houses and spent lots of time together. Dd has other friends but Dave does struggle with this and can be quite isolated.

A few months ago dd told me Dave had told her he likes her more than friends and she had told him she doesn't feel the same. They are only still early secondary for info. Dd is not into boys yet. Well apart from pop stars.

Dave's mum invited us round a short while after that and dd asked me to make an excuse not to go. I found this odd as dd would normally like going to see Dave. I asked dd to be honest with me as I had noticed she was more distant with Dave recently. Dd said Dave had been saying that he liked her and talking about thinking about her a lot, even at night and how he can imagine them being together etc this happened a few times after she made it clear this is not what she wanted. I advised dd that she did the right thing distancing herself as it made her uncomfortable. I then made an excuse to Dave's mum.

Since then Dave's mum has invited us round or to meet at places a few times and I have made more excuses but I think she is getting a bit suspicious.

Last week dd and a female friend were laughing about what some of the boys at school say to girls. I was with them so they were not hiding this. Female friend then said to dd "can't believe what Dave said to you urrrghhh". I asked what it was and dd laughed and female friend said "I can't tell you but it's not appropriate trust me" then laughed. I did push a little bit but left it alone as I didn't want to upset dd. I did have a hard word about boys making them uncomfortable and to be confident in telling them to stop and telling an adult and so on.

Me and a few friends, including Dave's mum, are due to go on a weekend away soon and I think that dd being distant and the excuses may come up. I'm not very good at being honest in such situations and hate conflict. I'm a people pleaser to my own detriment and it stems from childhood trauma but that's a different story. However, I need my dd to know I have her back and il always protect her. Plus I feel like I need to show her we as women should be confident to challenge this sort of behaviour. When she has made it clear this behaviour is unwanted I want her to be able to tell the person to stop unapologetically. I can't even do it so it's a big ask.
I really like Dave's mum but I don't think the truth will go down well and I know she has enough rubbish going on in her life and our friendship is important to us both.

What would you all do in this situation.
Aibu to keep making excuses and hope she stops asking us to spend time together.

OP posts:
Bearpawk · 24/06/2024 13:08

I personally don't think it needs to be such a big deal.
"Actually Dave seems to have feelings for DD which aren't reciprocated so she feels more comfortable keeping a distance for now, which I fully support"

veryCrossMrFlibble · 24/06/2024 13:10

Yes just tell her the headlines, you don't have to go into details. It's not unexpected given their age, things change.

Fraaahnces · 24/06/2024 13:12

Frankly, Dave sounds like a wannabe sex pest.
I think you and your DD need to stop making excuses and start speaking frankly with the little twerp. He is using his friendship with her to make her feel guilty for not wanting to be frank with him for not wanting the same thing as him. Gross. There are overtones of entitlement and manipulation here. Also, it might be smart to explain to his mum after DD has had her say that you will not be fostering the friendship between them because as it stands it’s not a “harmless little crush” and you would really like to speak to her son about the way he speaks to your daughter and other young ladies as he clearly has issues.

Eviebeans · 24/06/2024 13:12

Bearpawk · 24/06/2024 13:08

I personally don't think it needs to be such a big deal.
"Actually Dave seems to have feelings for DD which aren't reciprocated so she feels more comfortable keeping a distance for now, which I fully support"

I think this covers it clearly but gently

do be prepared that Dave’s mum really may not be able to grasp the idea that dd doesn’t like Dave in that way

Hoppinggreen · 24/06/2024 13:13

Be very breezy
"well friendships do change don't they, its a shame but they seem to have outgrown eachother a bit. Its not unusual for things to change once they hit high school"
And move on
Also, make sure your DD knows its ok to have cast iron boundaries that she doesnt have to break just because she used to be close to this boy

Member984815 · 24/06/2024 13:13

Just say they have grown apart , if you wanted to go further I'd say her son wanted a different relationship with your dd but she wanted to remain friends .

timetobegin · 24/06/2024 13:15

I think I’d just say he’d told dd he wants to be more than friends and she really doesn’t so she’s told him that and feels a bit uncomfortable and pressured so doesn’t want to hang out for a bit. It’s fine. Honestly couldn’t be more normal.

LightDrizzle · 24/06/2024 13:15

I’d use the words romantic feelings too both for clarity and to avoid using the word sexual as that might get a knee jerk defensive reaction.

MrsDoloresMcGrath · 24/06/2024 13:16

Member984815 · 24/06/2024 13:13

Just say they have grown apart , if you wanted to go further I'd say her son wanted a different relationship with your dd but she wanted to remain friends .

This is perfect. You don’t need to go into it more than this.

stayathomer · 24/06/2024 13:21

Everyone might kill me for this but the other thing I’d add is if you hear your dd and her friends laughing about boys to maybe tell them it’s not nice, when I was younger I once heard my brother and his friends laughing about how I seemed to like one of their friends (I did) and it’s honestly horrible. I know they were just chatting but just to let them know

worried3456 · 24/06/2024 13:25

I think say he has pushed it a bit and you can imply that it's hard with other boys who may be encouraging him to be a certain way or not take no for an answer. If I was the mum I'd want to know and she might be able to have a word with him that would be very instructive for him as a young man! Dont be super vague, you can say the situation but also that you really like Dave etc as she may be feeling hurt or defensive at the point?

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 24/06/2024 13:33

I might advise your DD to limit how much gossip she gives her friends. Teenage girls are notorious for being frenemies and sharing “juicy gossip” about yourself could come back to bite her.

Also agree just tell Dave’s mum that Dave seems to have feelings for DD and is speaking inappropriately to her, and making her feel uncomfortable.

Pookerrod · 24/06/2024 13:37

I would seriously take the inappropriate comment with a pinch of salt as you don’t even know what he is supposed to have said. It could well be exaggerated gossip between girls.

Just say to the mum that Dave confessed he has feelings for your DD and as it’s not reciprocated, a little distance for now is best for both of them.

LostTheMarble · 24/06/2024 13:39

I’d probably be a bit blunt to be honest, I have sons and I’d want to know if they weren’t taking no for an answer from a girl. I’d probably say ‘daughter doesn’t want to come, Dave seems to have developed feelings for her (which of course can happen with teens), but he seems to be having difficulty letting go of the fact daughter isn’t interested. She’s not actually feeling comfortable talking to him due to him crossing boundaries, to be honest I’d be grateful if you had a word’. It may be bloody awkward but no one needs another lad turning into one of those men…

MariaVT65 · 24/06/2024 13:46

Tbh i would personally take a different approach than PPs and be more honest and upfront. I would explain that sadly, DD feels uneasy around Dave now due to him having expressed feelings more than friendship, with the main issue being he is continuing to say things to her despite her telling him she is not interested.

Dave needs to be taught boundaries.

MariaVT65 · 24/06/2024 13:46

LostTheMarble · 24/06/2024 13:39

I’d probably be a bit blunt to be honest, I have sons and I’d want to know if they weren’t taking no for an answer from a girl. I’d probably say ‘daughter doesn’t want to come, Dave seems to have developed feelings for her (which of course can happen with teens), but he seems to be having difficulty letting go of the fact daughter isn’t interested. She’s not actually feeling comfortable talking to him due to him crossing boundaries, to be honest I’d be grateful if you had a word’. It may be bloody awkward but no one needs another lad turning into one of those men…

Agree with this.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 24/06/2024 13:52

LostTheMarble · 24/06/2024 13:39

I’d probably be a bit blunt to be honest, I have sons and I’d want to know if they weren’t taking no for an answer from a girl. I’d probably say ‘daughter doesn’t want to come, Dave seems to have developed feelings for her (which of course can happen with teens), but he seems to be having difficulty letting go of the fact daughter isn’t interested. She’s not actually feeling comfortable talking to him due to him crossing boundaries, to be honest I’d be grateful if you had a word’. It may be bloody awkward but no one needs another lad turning into one of those men…

Yes, I’d want to know as well, I don’t like all this soft soaping appeasement shit. He’s said something inappropriate already.

KreedKafer · 24/06/2024 13:52

These kids are secondary school age and I think it's really odd for Dave's mum to be having this much involvement in his friendship (or lack thereof) with your DD. I appreciate that she may worry about him not having many friends, but she can't possibly expect to force closeness between two kids who are now at secondary school. They're not 5-year-olds any more and she can't expect to be setting up bloody playdates for them.

If she brings this up again, I think I would breezily say something like 'Well, they aren't little kids any more. I suspect it's a case of hormones kicking and feelings changing - when they get to this age it's normal for friendships to ebb and for kids to grow apart, so I think they just have to be left to get on with it without parents getting involved. DD is at the age where I want to respect her privacy, so I'm not going to push it with her - it is what it is.'

If Dave's mum pushes it, then I would say 'OK, I didn't really want to get into this, but from what DD has said, Dave has been pushing for her to be more than friends with him and she doesn't want that, so the whole dynamic has become uncomfortable for her.'

SummerBarbecues · 24/06/2024 13:54

I think just be honest about it. Say Dave wants a romantic relationship while your DD doens't. If you keep coming up with excuses, she might press on which leads to more lies.

KreedKafer · 24/06/2024 13:59

stayathomer · 24/06/2024 13:21

Everyone might kill me for this but the other thing I’d add is if you hear your dd and her friends laughing about boys to maybe tell them it’s not nice, when I was younger I once heard my brother and his friends laughing about how I seemed to like one of their friends (I did) and it’s honestly horrible. I know they were just chatting but just to let them know

No, they are perfectly entitled to talk about laugh about boys, in private, if they want to.

You 'overheard' your brother and his friends, which means they clearly didn't know you were earwigging on them. You heard something you weren't meant to and that's a shame but it doesn't mean people aren't allowed to have conversations about people who aren't in the room with them.

If the OP's friends were talking about boys in front of the boys in question, that would be unpleasant. But they were not. Dave wasn't there. They were chatting amongst themselves at the OP's house which they are perfectly entitled to do and which is 100% normal for a bunch of kids. I wouldn't be telling a teenage girls that she wasn't allowed to talk to her mates about something a boy did/said that made her feel uncomfortable.

Beautiful3 · 24/06/2024 14:14

Bearpawk · 24/06/2024 13:08

I personally don't think it needs to be such a big deal.
"Actually Dave seems to have feelings for DD which aren't reciprocated so she feels more comfortable keeping a distance for now, which I fully support"

This is perfectly acceptable.

Maray1967 · 24/06/2024 14:18

KreedKafer · 24/06/2024 13:52

These kids are secondary school age and I think it's really odd for Dave's mum to be having this much involvement in his friendship (or lack thereof) with your DD. I appreciate that she may worry about him not having many friends, but she can't possibly expect to force closeness between two kids who are now at secondary school. They're not 5-year-olds any more and she can't expect to be setting up bloody playdates for them.

If she brings this up again, I think I would breezily say something like 'Well, they aren't little kids any more. I suspect it's a case of hormones kicking and feelings changing - when they get to this age it's normal for friendships to ebb and for kids to grow apart, so I think they just have to be left to get on with it without parents getting involved. DD is at the age where I want to respect her privacy, so I'm not going to push it with her - it is what it is.'

If Dave's mum pushes it, then I would say 'OK, I didn't really want to get into this, but from what DD has said, Dave has been pushing for her to be more than friends with him and she doesn't want that, so the whole dynamic has become uncomfortable for her.'

This - a two stage approach is perfect. If the mum pushes, you go on to stage two and be more frank. Hopefully she’ll have the sense not to do that.

Wakeywake · 24/06/2024 14:25

Tbh it's a bit strange to still arrange to meet up with the kids in tow now they are no longer little. Just meet up with her as adults. And yes, if she asks, tell her DD is not comfortable around Dave and why.

stayathomer · 24/06/2024 14:28

KreedKafer
people can talk about other people but it’s a slippery slope laughing about them, especially something private, fine that they chatted but laughing at someone isn’t great

saraclara · 24/06/2024 14:28

Hoppinggreen · 24/06/2024 13:13

Be very breezy
"well friendships do change don't they, its a shame but they seem to have outgrown eachother a bit. Its not unusual for things to change once they hit high school"
And move on
Also, make sure your DD knows its ok to have cast iron boundaries that she doesnt have to break just because she used to be close to this boy

I'd go with that. Dave might not want his mum knowing about his crushes.