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Would you be able to be honest with this mum

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dilemalema · 24/06/2024 13:05

Hello

So my dd has had a male best friend (let's call him Dave) since beginning of primary school. They are now in secondary school and have remained friends but not best friends.

We have spent lots of time with this family over the years and it's all been great. Dd and Dave were always round at each other's houses and spent lots of time together. Dd has other friends but Dave does struggle with this and can be quite isolated.

A few months ago dd told me Dave had told her he likes her more than friends and she had told him she doesn't feel the same. They are only still early secondary for info. Dd is not into boys yet. Well apart from pop stars.

Dave's mum invited us round a short while after that and dd asked me to make an excuse not to go. I found this odd as dd would normally like going to see Dave. I asked dd to be honest with me as I had noticed she was more distant with Dave recently. Dd said Dave had been saying that he liked her and talking about thinking about her a lot, even at night and how he can imagine them being together etc this happened a few times after she made it clear this is not what she wanted. I advised dd that she did the right thing distancing herself as it made her uncomfortable. I then made an excuse to Dave's mum.

Since then Dave's mum has invited us round or to meet at places a few times and I have made more excuses but I think she is getting a bit suspicious.

Last week dd and a female friend were laughing about what some of the boys at school say to girls. I was with them so they were not hiding this. Female friend then said to dd "can't believe what Dave said to you urrrghhh". I asked what it was and dd laughed and female friend said "I can't tell you but it's not appropriate trust me" then laughed. I did push a little bit but left it alone as I didn't want to upset dd. I did have a hard word about boys making them uncomfortable and to be confident in telling them to stop and telling an adult and so on.

Me and a few friends, including Dave's mum, are due to go on a weekend away soon and I think that dd being distant and the excuses may come up. I'm not very good at being honest in such situations and hate conflict. I'm a people pleaser to my own detriment and it stems from childhood trauma but that's a different story. However, I need my dd to know I have her back and il always protect her. Plus I feel like I need to show her we as women should be confident to challenge this sort of behaviour. When she has made it clear this behaviour is unwanted I want her to be able to tell the person to stop unapologetically. I can't even do it so it's a big ask.
I really like Dave's mum but I don't think the truth will go down well and I know she has enough rubbish going on in her life and our friendship is important to us both.

What would you all do in this situation.
Aibu to keep making excuses and hope she stops asking us to spend time together.

OP posts:
DinnaeFashYersel · 24/06/2024 14:30

Bearpawk · 24/06/2024 13:08

I personally don't think it needs to be such a big deal.
"Actually Dave seems to have feelings for DD which aren't reciprocated so she feels more comfortable keeping a distance for now, which I fully support"

This is all you need to do.

maw1681 · 24/06/2024 14:32

I would just say Dave seems to want to be more than friends, DD doesn't so feels a bit uncomfortable meeting up with Dave at the moment. That's all really, make it clear you still want to maintain a friendship with Dave's mum, but that doesn't mean Dave and DD need to be friends too

FluentRubyDog · 24/06/2024 14:35

Fraaahnces · 24/06/2024 13:12

Frankly, Dave sounds like a wannabe sex pest.
I think you and your DD need to stop making excuses and start speaking frankly with the little twerp. He is using his friendship with her to make her feel guilty for not wanting to be frank with him for not wanting the same thing as him. Gross. There are overtones of entitlement and manipulation here. Also, it might be smart to explain to his mum after DD has had her say that you will not be fostering the friendship between them because as it stands it’s not a “harmless little crush” and you would really like to speak to her son about the way he speaks to your daughter and other young ladies as he clearly has issues.

Edited

He's a tween, you battleaxe.

Yes, some serious conversations are neccessary here, but in an age and development appropriate way.

OP, I would seriously encourage you to put people pleasing aside and have a very honest conversation with Dave's mom about how to take this forward BEFORE your trip, for the sake of your friendship and theirs.

Andwegoroundagain · 24/06/2024 14:35

Member984815 · 24/06/2024 13:13

Just say they have grown apart , if you wanted to go further I'd say her son wanted a different relationship with your dd but she wanted to remain friends .

I think that works

ChampagneLassie · 24/06/2024 14:45

Avoiding someone and making excuses is neither people pleasing or setting a good example. You need to pull your big girl pants up. Just explain to other mum the truth Dave has expressed feelings for DD and wants more, she doesn’t and so has cooled things and doesn’t want to hang out.

Fraaahnces · 24/06/2024 14:47

@FluentRubyDog i was raped at the same age by the family friend because our parents thought it was cute that he had a crush on me. That’s why I feel so strongly about this. He acted very similarly to this kid. Constantly saying what he wanted to do to me every time he saw me. Sending me letters, etc. (pre-phones) Creeped me out and nobody took my feelings seriously.

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 24/06/2024 14:51

timetobegin · 24/06/2024 13:15

I think I’d just say he’d told dd he wants to be more than friends and she really doesn’t so she’s told him that and feels a bit uncomfortable and pressured so doesn’t want to hang out for a bit. It’s fine. Honestly couldn’t be more normal.

yes, this. i think making all these excuses long term is ridiculous. You can still be friend's with Dave's mum, but perhaps for a while, you aren't forcing them to spend time together. Make sure you are sympathetic towards dave in that it's never nice to have feelings that aren't recipriocated but you don't have to force your dd to do things if she doesn't feel comfortable. the relationoship has moved on, unfortunately, it's moved in different preferred directions so it might come to an end. Or, they might be able to rekindle the friendship later. Who knows.

JLou08 · 24/06/2024 14:59

I would do whatever DD wanted in that situation. She seems like a sensible girl, she's told him she isn't interested and distanced herself. Unless I felt she was unable to protect herself I would respect her choices on what she wants to happen next.

If my child was being inappropriate I would want to know so as a friend to his mum it would be good to share it. They're still very young and learning what's appropriate and what is not. Sounds like he needs some adult guidance. However, what DD wants would override that for me. I wouldn't want to break her trust when she is doing the right thing in distancing herself and talking to you.

LostTheMarble · 24/06/2024 15:01

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 24/06/2024 14:51

yes, this. i think making all these excuses long term is ridiculous. You can still be friend's with Dave's mum, but perhaps for a while, you aren't forcing them to spend time together. Make sure you are sympathetic towards dave in that it's never nice to have feelings that aren't recipriocated but you don't have to force your dd to do things if she doesn't feel comfortable. the relationoship has moved on, unfortunately, it's moved in different preferred directions so it might come to an end. Or, they might be able to rekindle the friendship later. Who knows.

Be sympathetic towards the boy who doesn’t get ‘no means no’ with her daughter? Thats a great way to let her daughter know how supportive her mum is about being harassed by men in future. Always an excuse for it is there, these poor guys can’t help themselves, they just go mad for a pretty girl don’t they 🙄.

This is her daughter’s first experience of unwanted attention from a guy. It won’t be her last. This is a defining moment in learning it’s ok to set her boundaries and not have to think of kindness or friendship in the future to make up for it. She needs her mum to back her 100% on this, and that means letting the boys mum know that her daughter is no longer going to be spending time with him. Whether she wants to go into the ‘why’s’ of it may take more time, but no means no is the key lesson here including saying ‘daughter won’t be coming, end of story’.

BobbyBiscuits · 24/06/2024 15:06

If you're independently friends with his mum, enough to go on holiday together, then it should be fine to be pretty honest.
I mean, you don't know the full picture, but you can easily just casually say, 'i think dd reckons he's got a crush on her and she's not keen'. In a pretty light-hearted way, like 'lol, kids, eh?'
Then just change the subject.
This must happen all the time with opposite gender friendships as they grow up and hit puberty. DD doesn't have to be friends with him anymore if she doesn't want to, but you can still be mates with his mum, surely?

FuzzyStripes · 24/06/2024 15:12

I agree with a simple but straightforward “Dave has told DD he wants more than friendship but she doesn’t. This seems to have cooled their friendship for now.”

LemonCitron · 24/06/2024 15:16

Regarding the question in your OP, I think it's easier to be honest about this issue (he likes her and she doesn't feel the same way) than other potential scenarios (eg one of them is bullying the other). This seems quite straightforward and easy to understand.

dilemalema · 24/06/2024 15:24

Thank you all for your help.

The girls were laughing at the fact the boys had been making sexual comments about some of the girls. I think it's fine to laugh at that and then I spoke to them about how it's not ok. They were laughing as in thinking the boys were pathetic. The girls are not making unwanted comments about the boys, especially not in front of them.

From what I can gather the comment was sexual that Dave made. The kids are 12.
I'm going to do as people have said and il remind dd to speak up to me and him

OP posts:
imworkinglatecosimasinger · 24/06/2024 15:29

veryCrossMrFlibble · 24/06/2024 13:10

Yes just tell her the headlines, you don't have to go into details. It's not unexpected given their age, things change.

This

paasll · 24/06/2024 15:36

FuzzyStripes · 24/06/2024 15:12

I agree with a simple but straightforward “Dave has told DD he wants more than friendship but she doesn’t. This seems to have cooled their friendship for now.”

Agree also. No need for more details

diddl · 24/06/2024 16:13

From what I can gather the comment was sexual that Dave made. The kids are 12.

Bloody hell I'm getting old!

Eeeden · 24/06/2024 16:16

I'd keep out of it. You don't need to go running to his mother. Your DD is fine.

fliptopbin · 24/06/2024 16:26

I would talk to your daughter and find out what she wants you to say. To be honest, I would think that if your friend considers things, especially if she talks to her son and he reacts defensively, as he probably would, she will probably be able to take a good guess at what has happened.

cheddercherry · 24/06/2024 18:15

As a boy mum I would want to know, especially from a close friend. People can trivialise his behaviour but the persistence after being clearly told no several times needs addressing while he’s still young and working out how to form and develop relationships.

MatildaTheCat · 24/06/2024 18:30

There will almost always come a point when your friendship with the mother of your DC’s friend will change and become a separate thing. I’d reiterate one of the messages above and also say very warmly that this in no way changes your friendship.

AstonMartha · 24/06/2024 18:37

You are punishing Dave’s mum for her son’s behaviour and not telling her why you are distancing yourself. She can’t make it right if she doesn’t know about it.

I have both sons and daughters, I get it but give her a chance.

Buryyiirwhat · 24/06/2024 19:03

It’s not a big deal -
tell the mum that Dave has romantic feelings for your DD and it’s not reciprocated.
Thats it.
And back your DD to the Hilton this one, she doesn’t need to be kind or accommodate Dave in anyway…

TimetoPour · 24/06/2024 19:06

Bearpawk · 24/06/2024 13:08

I personally don't think it needs to be such a big deal.
"Actually Dave seems to have feelings for DD which aren't reciprocated so she feels more comfortable keeping a distance for now, which I fully support"

This

Gymnopedie · 24/06/2024 19:11

'i think dd reckons he's got a crush on her and she's not keen'. In a pretty light-hearted way, like 'lol, kids, eh?'

Absolutely not. Why are you putting the responsibility on the DD?

One, she doesn't 'reckon', she knows. Two, this isn't lighthearted. He's not taking no for an answer and is pestering DD.

OP doesn't need to be graphic but she does need to be accurate and to convey the truth.

lemonstolemonade · 24/06/2024 20:18

I think that Dave's mum should know, in an appropriate way, that the friendship has cooled because they both want different things.

Ultimately, she probably wants to support him because he has lost a close friendship (that she doesn't know he also wanted to make into something else) and is worried that he is lonely. She's not a monster. I'd tell her that the friendship has cooled because they wanted different things so you'd prefer not to meet with the children for now but that you'd still like to see her.