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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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SnakesAndArrows · 22/06/2024 22:49

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:39

Alternatively they can be traumatised from puberty and die by suicide. Would you prefer that.

No one is forcing this on children. No one. It’s incredibly hard to get access to gender affirming care.

Cass made it all up then, did she?

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 22:49

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 21:57

I’d like to see the issue dealt with a little nuance not just “ban trans women from everything”.

I’d like the men in power to address men’s attitudes and behaviour towards women. Including their own.

Well said 👏

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:49

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

That’s science

Dancing With The Stars GIF

It's bollocks, is what it is.

siameselife · 22/06/2024 22:49

Mother Nature creates intersex humans

All humans are male or female, having a DSD doesn't mean you are a 3rd sex. People with DSDs also have nothing to do with people with trans identities.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:50

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

Haha of course you are. Your clothes were chosen for you at birth depending on your genitals, for instance. The entire concept of femininity is socially constructed.

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 22:50

Lovelyview · 22/06/2024 22:33

Trans identified men are men who identify as transgender. You are calling them trans women.

Gay people are same sex attracted. They have been subject to hatred and discrimination. There are laws in place to prevent this. 'Trans' covers a number of groups of people whose 'identity' has little in common with other groups. One is men who are sexually excited by dressing up as a woman. This is known as Autogynophilia. The men you see dressed in short skirts with fake breasts and lots of makeup have AGP, they're getting off on their trans identity. Another group are gay people with internalised homophobia. They would rather change into the opposite sex than admit they are same sex attracted. These are not people with an innate sexuality they are people whose sense of self has been destroyed by being told they can 'fix' themselves by changing sex. Keep your eyes on the news over the next few years. There will be more and more detransitioners suing medical providers who conducted operations stripping them of viable sexual functioning, rendering them infertile and creating lifelong ill health through cross sex hormones. And they still won't have changed sex.

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:50

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Referring to trans women as men is awful

Why, when they are a man.

Fred changing his name to Freda does not make him a woman (with apologies to the Blue Peter tortoise).

RufustheFactualReindeer · 22/06/2024 22:50

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

Sez you 😒

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:50

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

That’s science

Nooope

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:50

Many people are talking about this in a way that seems to disregard their rights, feelings and existence.

Their rights: they have the same human rights as any other male.

Their feelings: are their own,as are my own mine. I don't set myself on fire to keep others warm. They aren't the centre of the universe, other people matter too.

Their existence: they exist as members of the male sex, I'm not sure why that isn't enough.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:50

Nobody is saying to ban transwomen from everything. Anyone claiming that has shocking comprehension and / or is posting in bad faith.

Raquelos · 22/06/2024 22:51

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological.

A vocal minority have tried to redefine the word woman so that only gender defines it rather than sex. The vast majority of people don't accept such an arbitrary change being imposed on their everyday language or on how they define womanhood.

Attempting to police people's language is part of the power this type of activism has wielded to silence dissent and that is a large reason why so many choose not to play that game anymore.

But you know that already.

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:51

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:50

Haha of course you are. Your clothes were chosen for you at birth depending on your genitals, for instance. The entire concept of femininity is socially constructed.

And yet both my husband and I were wearing blue jeans earlier. So not exactly true. And so you admit that gender is a social construct, and not sec.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 22/06/2024 22:51

Oh good lord I’ve accidentally aligned myself with dawkins 😩

now I’m embarrassed and ashamed 🥺

AlisonDonut · 22/06/2024 22:51

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:15

Puberty blockers have been used safely for years on children reaching puberty at an early age to delay it. No one seemed to mind when the “normal” kids needed them.

No, they haven't. There are many side effects of these drugs on people who were given them for precocious puberty. There is a reason the prescription of these is limited to just months.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:52

Anyone claiming that has shocking comprehension and / or is posting in bad faith.

There's a lot of both tonight.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:52

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

Even if that were true. And it isn't.

There is still no mechanism for changing sex. No mammal has ever done this, in the extensive history of the world.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:52

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:48

We all know trans people exist and have rights, as is proper.

Not the right to compete in sport, visit a swimming pool or try on clothes, apparently.

myduglovesbaltis · 22/06/2024 22:52

I posted earlier. I can't remember if it was on this name but I don't post often. I'm working class and despise Reform. Thought I was going hold my nose and vote Labour then I seen what Counsellor Clare from Chester put up . Those awful Labour men and women. How can they say this isn't about poor women and children? This subjectpenetrates every issue. For example; we have Shelter highlighting that we have massive issue with private renters at risk of homelessness or becoming homeless. Labour is not really doing the council house building we need. So what happens?Do we shove women and children in with self iding trans women or do what has happened in Scotland and just away with single sex spaces? So amazing up there- men in with women in homeless hotels. Drug death rate is heartbreaking. That is just one example and if you add vulnerable children , many with disabilities into the mix , it is not a fringe issue. I am so glad I seen Clare's video. I have met those MEN and Women before, yeh they have the election in the bag. It's only poor skanks like me that will be affected .They should have made better choices you can them say. Yeah well I will now.
On and it's my birthday today and I got a copy of Women Won't Wheesh and I bloody well won't !

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:52

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:50

Haha of course you are. Your clothes were chosen for you at birth depending on your genitals, for instance. The entire concept of femininity is socially constructed.

You assume my parents dressed me a certain way.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:53

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:52

Not the right to compete in sport, visit a swimming pool or try on clothes, apparently.

Don't be daft. They can do all of these things.

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:53

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:52

Not the right to compete in sport, visit a swimming pool or try on clothes, apparently.

Rights as a man (if trans woman) or woman (if trans man).

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:53

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:52

Even if that were true. And it isn't.

There is still no mechanism for changing sex. No mammal has ever done this, in the extensive history of the world.

No mammal irons their husband’s shirts either. Like I said, “woman” is a social construct.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:54

Not the right to compete in sport, visit a swimming pool or try on clothes, apparently.

Of course they do, don't be silly. There are lots of spaces for males.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:54

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:52

Not the right to compete in sport, visit a swimming pool or try on clothes, apparently.

They have all those rights.

You know this. Quit being disingenuous.

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