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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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illinivich · 22/06/2024 22:42

it has everything to do with gay men when we are literally replicating the propaganda of 1980s about a new set of vulnerability people

People can be both vulnerable and a threat to others.

A man who is proposing to transition has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

A man with a GRC may only have a diagnosis and two years worth of id in their new name.

Either is the same risk to women as any other man. Nothing in the process can filter out dangerous men, its not designed for that.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:42

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Referring to trans women as men is awful

Transwomen are men. 🤷‍♀️ Biology is sooooo transphobic!

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:34

Absolutely no one is saying that TW aren't people

They arent women however. I know that, they know that, you know that. It's basic biological fact. I wonder why you're denying this? Why lie?

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:43

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:42

Transwomen are men. 🤷‍♀️ Biology is sooooo transphobic!

That’s not biology

siameselife · 22/06/2024 22:43

As we now know gay men aren’t all predators and one day we will know trans women aren’t either.

No one is arguing all trans women are predators. We are stating that as they are male they need to be treated as such when setting out single spaces that are sex differentiated particularly those with a safe guarding aspect.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:43

Referring to trans women as men is awful

That's too bad, but I'm not going to lie.

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:43

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:32

I’ve said plenty actually, but really it comes down to the fact that trans women are still people and this thread and the previous one is full of horrible bullying attitudes and sweeping statements and judgements. How long can one argue against fear and ignorance?

No one has said that they aren’t people.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:44

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

That's nonsense

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:42

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:44

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:43

That’s not biology

It's biological fact that transwomen are men!

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:44

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:44

Well, no. I'm not a social construct.

Me neither 🫡

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 22:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:43

Referring to trans women as men is awful

That's too bad, but I'm not going to lie.

Ooohh Eresh you are awful. But I like you!

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:41

It's fact. If you have an issue with that you need to take it up with Mother Nature instead of shooting us messangers.

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

Underthinker · 22/06/2024 22:45

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:40

Trans women are women

Only if you redefine the word woman to mean "anyone who says they're a woman", which is not a definition I'd use or accept.

FOJN · 22/06/2024 22:45

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:35

Oh god pay attention the gay men reference is to do with the way we USED TO think. Not now. Gay men were put in prison!! They weren’t allowed in any spaces let alone women’s.
And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day. As we now know gay men aren’t all predators and one day we will know trans women aren’t either.

We're not putting people in prison for being trans and we're not suggesting all transwomen are sexual predators. You keep harping on about this as if we're all confused and yet no matter how clearly we state we do not want transwomen in women's spaces because they are men you don't seem to understand. There is no evidence at all that men who identify as women are less of a risk to women than other men.

I don't want tall men, gay men, fat men, friendly men, Christian men, trans identified men or any other type of man in women's spaces.

The trans people I have known are not confused about the reality of their biological sex.

Only men can be transwomen. I cannot be a transwoman because I am female.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:45

DialSquare · 22/06/2024 22:45

Ooohh Eresh you are awful. But I like you!

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Apt! 🤣

CassieMaddox · 22/06/2024 22:45

Underthinker · 22/06/2024 21:38

Sunak interviewed by Piers Morgan answered the "What is a woman?" question with "Adult human female".

Yes they are slow to get a grip on it, but I'd prefer someone to belatedly do the right thing over someone who is eager to do the wrong thing as soon as they can.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/

A woman is an adult female, Starmer says
Confused

Double standards. Believe Sunak (despite the fact he's head of a party full of liars). Don't believe Starmer.

It's pure lefty hating, not to do with womens rights at all.

A woman is an adult female, Sir Keir Starmer says

Labour says that it has hardened its stance on self-identification after having a ‘chance to reflect’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:46

Woman is a social construct.
Female is biological.

Where did this mysterious "woman" concept spring from?

SnakesAndArrows · 22/06/2024 22:46

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:32

I’ve said plenty actually, but really it comes down to the fact that trans women are still people and this thread and the previous one is full of horrible bullying attitudes and sweeping statements and judgements. How long can one argue against fear and ignorance?

That’s quite the allegation.

I’ve asked before, but I think you didn’t answer. Do disabled women receiving personal care have the right to be cared for by a female-born woman? Are they horrible bullies if they do not want to be cared for (and by this I mean changing incontinence and/or sanitary wear) by a person with a penis? Do the rights of the transwoman carer trump the rights of the woman?

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:46

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

Oh my word.

Humans are sexually dimorphic. Please dont drag people with DSDs into it. They are not a third sex.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2024 22:46

@DialSquare and @NoWordForFluffy Wine

NoWordForFluffy · 22/06/2024 22:46

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:45

Mother Nature creates intersex humans and animals. Nature is not binary.

House!!!!!!!

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

Springwatch123 · 22/06/2024 22:43

No one has said that they aren’t people.

Many people are talking about this in a way that seems to disregard their rights, feelings and existence.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 22:44

That's nonsense

That’s science

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 22:48

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 22:47

Many people are talking about this in a way that seems to disregard their rights, feelings and existence.

We all know trans people exist and have rights, as is proper.