Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Not heard any more from Madigan since the sexual assault allegations.

Ok emoji hour. Can you say anything about what you want?

You’ve posted many times on the two threads castigating women but you haven’t actually put anything forward. With all the posts this could have been some of that

If you give an example of how this nuance works maybe we can see what you mean

Or is it an impossibility in reality hence the avoidance plus emoji

You are wrong. There was lots of concern about their use. Some women who were prescribed PB as children have faced long term medical problems. Doctors talk about this with parents.

But when used for PP, the conditions is clear, and not self diagnosed, and the children are on the drugs for the shortest term possible, often only till the age of 8 or so. Their puberty is genuinely paused for a short while, not an attempt to stop completely.

What's disgusting? Honestly, this is baffling. Can you point to what has been said that's 'disgusting'?

Not all transwomen.

trans men or trans women?

it has everything to do with gay men when we are literally replicating the propaganda of 1980s about a new set of vulnerability people

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Well, firstly this is a licensed use, which use as a puberty blocker is not. And secondly there is some considerable concern about the long term effects even of this relatively short duration of licensed use.

Oh dear. You’re not skint, are you?

Out of interest, are these women you’re dealing with poor and/or working class? If so, are you seeing any connections between their circumstances, the concerns that they voice to you and the lack of any significant trans/non binary presence in their community?

It sounds like you’re taking their apparent lack of concern about women’s rights and single sex spaces as evidence that they don’t think it’s at all important, when these women are more concerned with getting through the week. Feeding their kids takes priority. They haven’t got time to be pontificating over gender identities, they’re more worried about paying the gas bill. But if you think they don’t care about single sex spaces when they need to, take them into that world (a middle class university campus, for instance) and watch what happens.

I’ve said plenty actually, but really it comes down to the fact that trans women are still people and this thread and the previous one is full of horrible bullying attitudes and sweeping statements and judgements. How long can one argue against fear and ignorance?

Trans identified men are men who identify as transgender. You are calling them trans women.

Absolutely no one is saying that TW aren't people

They arent women however. I know that, they know that, you know that. It's basic biological fact. I wonder why you're denying this? Why lie?

What sweeping statements? What attitudes?

The use of puberty blockers in children with precocious puberty is carefully balanced against the risks. We have always known it's affects bone density. It is used for a relatively short period of time, rarely more than two years. It is stopped when a child reaches an appropriate age for normal puberty.

For gender questioning children it is started at the age of normal puberty and may continue to be taken for 5 years or more. We have no idea if there is a window in which normal puberty can occur. There are a small number of cases where young adults have stopped puberty blockers at 18 and puberty has still not started 2 years later. The numbers are small because the vast majority of children (99% according to Tavistock data) who take puberty blockers go on to take cross sex hormones. Those children will be sterile and unable to have children of their own.

Oh god pay attention the gay men reference is to do with the way we USED TO think. Not now. Gay men were put in prison!! They weren’t allowed in any spaces let alone women’s.
And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day. As we now know gay men aren’t all predators and one day we will know trans women aren’t either.

And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day.

Not wanting any men at all in my spaces isn't "incredibly awful" to men as a sex, is it?

Alternatively they can be traumatised from puberty and die by suicide. Would you prefer that.

No one is forcing this on children. No one. It’s incredibly hard to get access to gender affirming care.

And hopefully we will all be sorry for being so incredibly awful to trans women one day.

Why would we be sorry for treating men like other men? That makes zero sense.

The trans issue is the exact opposite of the gay rights issue.

The gay rights issue is about accepting people for who they are.

The trans issue is about being compelled to affirm people in what they are not.

Gay rights acknowledges the reality and legitimacy of same sex attraction. TRA ideology attempts to dismantle this by replacing sex with gender.

Referring to trans women as men is awful

A minority group who are men attempting to force their way into women’s spaces, assisted by short sighted members of the ‘be kind’ brigade.

Trans women are women

That's a lie. Why do you keep repeating it?

Well, how would you describe a transwoman?

It's not awful, it's an undeniable fact.

Nope.

It's fact. If you have an issue with that you need to take it up with Mother Nature instead of shooting us messangers.