Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

[PupInAPram]

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Can you say how this nuance works in practise?

Where might men have access v where they would not

@Raquelos

”I think, for me, the problem is more fundamental even than the issue of women's rights. It's the absolute lack of trust that the Labour front bench won't roll over for the next vocal minority that manages to gain a foothold as they did on this,”

I agree with this also.

Not at all but when I hear the phrase “ a party which holds the female half of the population in complete contempt.” I automatically think of the party in power who have systematically made life harder for women

There is a chance I misunderstood your post

It was perfectly clear. Other people pointed out your self own too.

I didn't edit anything. The original is there. My brother shouldn’t be allowed in women’s spaces because he is a man. And women can’t tell the baddies from the goodies, despite me being confident he’s a goodie as I know him. As best anyone can know another person.

Other women don’t know. So they all have to stay out.

If you can’t get that by now I can’t help you.

But the minority group in question are men.

We agree that men are the problem.

Why should a small group of men be exempt from that principle just because they say they are not men?

ok.
Doesn’t make them right. Doesn’t make any of this right.

The attitudes on this thread are disgusting.

Why aren't Labour the party of women's rights?

@Runor

”But transwomen are men. As soon as we cannot exclude transwomen from female spaces etc, we cannot exclude any men. This makes things worse for women”

Exactly!

Puberty blockers have been used safely for years on children reaching puberty at an early age to delay it. No one seemed to mind when the “normal” kids needed them.

OMG, puberty blockers work when they are stopped to allow puberty to take place at the ‘normal’ age. Seriously, can you do some proper research before making these nonsensical statements

You find it disgusting that people want to protect children from irreversible medical harm and retain spaces where women have privacy from men? I find that a really odd use of the word disgusting.

Have you not read any of my posts? My entire point is that men are a risk, the problem is men’s attitudes to women, men’s behaviour and the patriarchy’s reluctance to do anything about it.
Trans women are not predators any more than gay men are. But we refuse to do anything about misogyny in our society and instead focus our outrage on minority out groups.

I do appreciate your point @PupInAPram that people are generally looking at a whole host of issues when deciding on who to vote for. The cost of living crisis has had a huge impact on many of the people I see through work as well.
I do wonder though at how much money has been spent over the years supporting this alleged fringe issue, which apparently only effects 0.1% of the population ? how much did it cost to fund the Tavistock clinic, would that money have been better spent supporting the majority of female autistic patients in other ways ? All the money spent in the NHS and Education ?
I do largely lay the blame at the door of the Conservatives on this, it was under their watch after all, but does that make it wrong to expect better from Labour ?

Dawkins, you say the attitudes on this thread are disgusting, while not being able to provide counter arguments to demonstrate this. I wonder why?!

I'm assuming you've made that point because you think female representation in politics matters.

How would you feel if 50% of the shadow cabinet were transwomen and 50% were men? Do you still think that would represent equality for female representation in politics? The Labour Party (and the Libdems) do.

Lily Madigan was elected as women's officer in a constituency Labour Party even though he is male. Lily then proceeded to smear and bully women of the executive committee in an adjacent constituency when they raised objections to a man being able to stand as a women's officer.

We said the same thing. They are used to delay puberty.

I know 😩

honestly all of my friends who think i have no self control should see my posts in here. I am so restrained!

Trans women are not predators any more than gay men are.

And again, gay men aren't expecting to use women's spaces.

Yes treating something with nuance definitely means trying to resolve all factors in a mumsnet post 🤦🏻‍♀️

Trans identified men are men. A higher proportion of trans identified men are sexual predators than average (based on conviction stats for UK prisons). This is nothing to do with gay men.

Doesn’t make them right. Doesn’t make any of this right.

It doesn't make them right, because what people think doesn't have any bearing on what actually is right.

They are right though.

Do men say it? I’ve never seen or heard a man say that.

Yeah, and my mind boggles at your comprehension. Transwomen are as much potential predators as gay men, white men, straight men, men of differing races, and on we go.

Because of their one common denominator -
They. Are. Men.

That aren’t a sacred caste absolved of being able to cause harm because they deem themselves trans.

OK, to add on the bit I assumed was well known…. But puberty blockers cause a great deal of harm when their use is continued through puberty, because then puberty never properly happens. This means that full adult bone density is never achieved, full sexual development is never achieved, and parts of the brain never fully develop. This is not what I would want for any child.