Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Uh-huh. Nobody is shouting at you, Cassie. And this is, once again, a highly disingenuous response. Hints of DARVO in fact. Why use these tactics? They don't show you in a good light. Interesting though.

I am asking you to stop making false claims about other women's political affiliations. Which you and some others have been doing throughout the threads. That is more than an "opinion", or "disagreeing" with our stance on women's rights. Or can't you tell the difference between "political opinion" and "telling lies about people?" Odd.

My irony meter has exploded with some comments on this thread!

I'm pretty bored of people correcting misrepresentations being labelled (misrepresented, even) as attacks and smears. It's hypocritical at best.

A little more self awareness wouldn't go amiss on here, frankly.

Did you mean to be insufferable and rude or is this just your personality?

“I think all the talk about "super majorities" has made JKR complacent about the potential consequences of her intervention.”

@CassieMaddox I’m puzzled - are you suggesting we cease discussing women’s issues until after the election?

Wheesht, women, wheesht.

Don’t tell a male politician what you want changed before the GE wait until they have mandate then it will work

Not very useful for women

Actually @hihelenhi I am a massive supporter of JKR and all she has done - I am also a believer in women having their own spaces etc.

What I can't get on board with is the demonisation of labour, when every party holds the same views - other than Reform. What she donated to charity is fantastic but it still doesn't cover the thousands and thousands of women who have been impacted by Tory policies and austerity. I certainly haven't been had - it is possible to support all women and want to vote for labour. I would feel a total fraud and a hypocrite if I voted on a single issue, when for so many women this single issue is on a list behind poverty - feeding kids, paying bills, surviving abuse, SEND/SEMH kids ... and Labour are the only
Party that align with my views on these issues.

Exactly this! Make them understand the issue to give them time to change pre-election. I'm going to hold onto my postal vote for a while in case I decide to vote Labour. This may have a positive effect for them.

@CassieMaddox
Do you have a link to the actual report?

I think this is the report;
https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Leading-for-all-supporting-trans-non-binary-healthcare-staff-2023.pdf

No. I'm suggesting JKR choosing to use her platform at this moment to suggest women don't vote Labour might have unintended consequences.

She chose to write that article, it didn't come up in conversation. Criticising that action isn't the same as telling her to shut up

Using CAPITAL LETTERS is commonly understood to be equivalent to shouting on the internet

I think I was clear that this fictional woman would not accept care from a man or a transwoman.

And this is the issue. When we have people claiming that male people are women because they have a GRC and/or the ladyfeelz, women (natal ones) who don’t want care from anyone with a penis are called bigots or transphobes (by the left, mainly).

Using CAPITAL LETTERS is commonly understood to be equivalent to shouting on the internet

''DARVO'' is an acronym (as you well know, you've posted it yourself), and they are usually give on capital letters.

I was talking about her previous post that I replied to where she posted to me pretty aggressively.
Not sure why but I'm not interested in being a punching bag for posters who hate lefties.

Ah OK I see what you mean. I think JKR is just holding Labour’s feet to the fire. I don’t think she’ll have such an impact on voting intentions as to sway the polls all the way to the Tories. And Starmer could improve the situation by clarifying some of the manifesto weasel words over the next few days.

Women have the right to be involved in politics; we've been shoved out of the Labour Party so we're reduced to using the media to get out point across.

Complaining that women are speaking about an issue that directly affects them in the hope they can get their own party to listen to them is taking the piss.

I agree, I’m furious that this might jeapordise our chances of getting the Tories out. She is more concerned with her own voice.

DARVO is an acronym. It means Deny, Attack and Reverse Victim and Offender. Acronyms use capital letters.

Using acronyms the way they are used normally is not "shouting".

I found the article useful - it covers issues that ‘come up in conversation’ on this thread already, as well as on other platforms and in real life.

Women are weighing up the pros/cons offered by all parties and will vote as they see fit.

I am a leftie myself, so no, I don't "hate lefties".

Please stop making accusations that aren't true.

Oh, and if you're going to accuse me of "aggression" for, er, disagreeing with you in a way you don't seem to be able to answer, can I point you to the fact that accusing others falsely (because you don't have any arguments?) and ad hominems is a pretty aggressive tactic. It's also a weak one. Suggest it stops.

You’re giving her a lot of ability to sway voters

And of course she can use her own voice. I’m glad she is

No, she is concerned that half ofpopulation's human rights is respected and legally protected. Sir Keir knows what he has to do…

It's not JKR's fault that Labour have failed to listen to women's very valid concerns on this issue and have treated people like Duffield as they have. That's all on the party. Don't blame the person who's only calling it out.

She's been writing about the issue for a while now, shes not decided to speak only 'at this moment '.

I cant imagine she'll stop talking once Starmer is PM.

I agree with this. I think it’s a warning to Labour to not take us for granted and for them to remember the self-id fiasco in Scotland. We’re not going to be so swept away with joy that the Tories are gone that we won’t scrutinise what a Labour government will do. And we won’t be afraid to oppose a Labour government doing something we disagree with.

No. I'm suggesting JKR choosing to use her platform at this moment to suggest women don't vote Labour might have unintended consequences.

and again, she didn’t advocate for what other people do with they vote. I don’t know what it is about JKR - she’s an excellent clear and witty writer and yet so many people seem to mis-read her output.