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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 20:15

@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
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TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:26

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:24

I am sure you know how to use the search function in Twitter. this is the first post that came up for e. do you need me to go through and link to every single post, or can you take it from here?

https://x.com/IamGCWendy/status/1803409303153344947?t=3TgONuhxgRdHYIgG5dzzQw&s=19

I can't say this lady strikes me as a prominent GC person. I mean we can find anything if we look hard enough for it. But what does it prove beyond GC being a wide range of people?

ActivePeony · 23/06/2024 11:27

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 10:52

it's a luxury, voting on the self ID as THE priority. People are unable to house and feed themselves and it disproportionately affects women. it's bullshit that feminists should prioritise self ID as the reason to vote. loads voting reform because of it, which will be shit for women. at this point I believe a lot of the GC feminists are a) too rich to care about other issues and/or b) racist/Islamophobic.

Hi Nicola!

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:28

Mycatsmudge · 23/06/2024 11:04

I work in the NHS and there is a lot of trans activists and many are in leadership roles. What’s scary is some aspects of healthcare are only applicable for either biological males or females. If the NHS blurs the lines for this in the name of inclusivity then I fear for the health outcomes for both sexes.

There was a tragic case of a transman in the US who was admitted with abdominal pain, records said 'man' and so she was assumed to be male and her pregnancy was not noted.

I assume this is why everyone, male and female, are now asked if they may be pregnant. I'm told this is often very confusing for elderly males.

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:28

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 11:12

Me too.

search function on Twitter

x.com/sharrond62/status/1804599959984980087?t=bmn_1o6cLoYzFvC22TOilQ&s=19

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/06/2024 11:29

RealFeminist · 23/06/2024 10:47

YE CANNE EVEN SPEL FEMININIMISM

That can't be right, it doesn't have the word MEN in the middle of it.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:29

Here's Julie Bindel voting Labour for example

https://x.com/bindelj/status/1801571425867706565

x.com

https://x.com/bindelj/status/1801571425867706565

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:29

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:26

I can't say this lady strikes me as a prominent GC person. I mean we can find anything if we look hard enough for it. But what does it prove beyond GC being a wide range of people?

oh Christ, just go on Twitter and do your own search...I just posted a thread of Sharron Davies, with a load of responders saying they are voting reform

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:30

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:29

oh Christ, just go on Twitter and do your own search...I just posted a thread of Sharron Davies, with a load of responders saying they are voting reform

And I just posted Julie Bindel whose voting Labour. Nothing of this is statistically significant - they're just random anecdata.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:31

Reform are polling about 10%, so I expect a proportion of women who consider sex immutable and dimorphic in humans will be intending to vote for them.

What I'd like to see is the left parties sort out their gender problems, so that I have someone to vote for.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:33

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:31

Reform are polling about 10%, so I expect a proportion of women who consider sex immutable and dimorphic in humans will be intending to vote for them.

What I'd like to see is the left parties sort out their gender problems, so that I have someone to vote for.

I totally get women voting for Labour and I kind of agree with Bindel that they're the best of a bad bunch overall. What I'd like to see though is people holding them to account on this issue and not just trying to sweep it under the carpet.

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:33

ActivePeony · 23/06/2024 09:48

"there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable, but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well"

I remember this bottom of the barrel bullshit from Sturgeon. Absolutely appalling.

Edited

Absolutely true. You only need to spend a short while on twitter to see it.
E.g. this tweet.

I'm not sure why you are denying something that is patently obvious. She didn't say all GC people are like this; she said some are and she's right.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?
FOJN · 23/06/2024 11:33

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:17

🤣 you think Conservative/Reform are LESS misogynistic?? 🤣

In your opinion anyone voting for a party you don't approve of is either too rich to care about women's issues or supports racists.

I usually find it's privileged middle class (not all by any means) women who only seem to care about vulnerable, traumatised or disadvantaged women when they can use them to virtue signal. They seem to care less about women being locked in cells with rapists or being denied health care because they prefer a female HCP. And yes this has happened.

I think the general consensus is that the right think women are private property and the left think women are public property. I can avoid the misogynists who think my place is in the home, it's harder to navigate life when state sanctioned misogynists influence aspects of policy which my safety and dignity depend upon.

So no I do not think they are less misogynistic but at the moment their brand of misogyny seems like the lesser of two evils.

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:35

Whothefuckdoesthat · 23/06/2024 09:52

The only person who raised abuse in this scenario is you. We’re talking about people who need help with intimate care having a right to have same sex care. To be able to say ‘Sarah is very nice and very caring and I’m quite happy for them to assist me in all non intimate aspects of my care, but Sarah is a man and I do not want them helping me into the bath’. It’s nothing to do with Sarah or Sarah’s perfectly innocent intentions to just get their client clean and dry. It’s about a woman’s right to not want a man involved in her intimate care.

Unfortunately that isn't a "woman's right" at the moment.

https://www.lgo.org.uk/information-centre/news/2014/nov/not-providing-same-sex-carers-can-impact-dignity-says-ombudsman

Although it is not a legal requirement to provide same sex carers, where a request is made for valid reasons, the LGO maintains that a provider should make every effort to provide same sex care

https://www.lgo.org.uk/

https://www.lgo.org.uk/information-centre/news/2014/nov/not-providing-same-sex-carers-can-impact-dignity-says-ombudsman

ConservationLie · 23/06/2024 11:35

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:30

And I just posted Julie Bindel whose voting Labour. Nothing of this is statistically significant - they're just random anecdata.

yes. they. are. anecdotes.

which is why it is strange that you asked me for names/examples. I haven't done a statistical analysis. I

I follow alot of GC accounts, I have seen alot of women saying they are voting reform because of self ID. go have a look yourself/don't, believe me/don't

my point was it is bullshit that voting on this single issue is in the interests of feminism/women's rights. Nigel Farage is praising Andrew Tate!

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2024 11:18

"Several posters on Mumsnet"

"Loads of GC women"

Confused

Where did I mention "loads of GC women"?

DataScraperResistanceArmy · 23/06/2024 11:37

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:17

There have been several posters on Mumsnet over the past few days saying that they're GC and intend to vote Reform.

Most of them are probably forensic linguistic PhD students faking looking for evidence of transphobia.
See how easy it is to cast baseless accusations?

CassieMaddox · 23/06/2024 11:38

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/06/2024 11:12

Me too.

Glad I shared that tweet now 😂

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:38

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:20

Who as a matter of interest?

I'm sure you can use the search function.

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 11:39

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:17

There have been several posters on Mumsnet over the past few days saying that they're GC and intend to vote Reform.

I haven’t seen much of this, I’d say at a lower rate than other platforms such as X or btl comments

Which posters are you referring to?

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:39

my point was it is bullshit that voting on this single issue is in the interests of feminism/women's rights. Nigel Farage is praising Andrew Tate!

But the women voting Reform may be voting for multiple reasons, not a 'single issue'. And those for whom it is a 'single issue' - there is no clear evidence that any of them are voting Reform.

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:40

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:38

I'm sure you can use the search function.

We I'd expect you to be able to back up your points, but no matter, I can draw my own conclusions here.

ilovesooty · 23/06/2024 11:42

DataScraperResistanceArmy · 23/06/2024 11:37

Most of them are probably forensic linguistic PhD students faking looking for evidence of transphobia.
See how easy it is to cast baseless accusations?

Are you saying that I made a baseless accusation?

DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 11:43

TheKeatingFive · 23/06/2024 11:33

I totally get women voting for Labour and I kind of agree with Bindel that they're the best of a bad bunch overall. What I'd like to see though is people holding them to account on this issue and not just trying to sweep it under the carpet.

Are they best of a bad bunch? I prefer left economics but the trouble is that I have lost all trust in Labour and Libs because they are claiming men can be women. It's either duplicity, stupidity, or both, with a hefty dollop of misogyny and homophobia thrown in.

DialSquare · 23/06/2024 11:44

I've only ever voted Labour but I really can't vote for any of the main parties now.

I'm currently looking into this party, which at first glance looks like a promising option.

www.southendconfelicityparty.co.uk/confelicitypartygeneralelectionmanifesto24

I found this part of their manifesto interesting.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?