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Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 13:14

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

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ScribblingPixie · 22/06/2024 14:28

SatoshiNakamoto · 22/06/2024 13:34

Five years ago me and two friends ran a successful local cycling group for women who just wanted to ride bikes for fun and fitness but without any of the lycra clad male cycling club culture . We were then told by the sports governing body we had to included transwomen but men had to be turned away.
The group doesn’t exist now. The participants left, first the Muslim ladies then everyone else who did not want a mixed sex group.
Then the volunteers left because the governing body called them bigots for just wanting their group for women run by women.

Women and girls are in danger of losing every female only space we’ve created for ourselves and Starmer has zero skin in the game so doesn’t care.
I will not vote for a party that cannot accept that sometimes, it’s ok for women and girls to have their own spaces and thank goodness someone as high profile as JKR is speaking about it.

In tears over this. How effing awful. So sorry you lost your group.

Whatineed · 22/06/2024 14:29

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 13:57

In what way are they not?
Think, feel and look like a woman.
Without peeking into their undies like a weirdo, you wouldn’t know.

Ah the old "ladyfeelz".

How do you think and feel like a woman? I'm asking as a woman.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2024 14:29

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 14:28

Majority of mumsnetters. Where the majority seem to earn over £100k !

Not sure about that given how threads go on other issues

But JKR is excellent on this despite ruffling a few Labour feathers

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 14:29

QueenofTheBorg · 22/06/2024 14:28

JKR should definitely not pipe down or shut up or wheesht, she is amazing.

I'm voting Conservative, based on this issue alone.

You have 100% made my point for me. Thank you.

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Mamai100 · 22/06/2024 14:29

heldinadream · 22/06/2024 13:17

How old are your children? And what sex are they?

I have two daughters aged two and four months and I agree with the OP.

At this particular moment there are more important issues that need to be dealt with.

I'm seriously scared for our future if the tories get another term.

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 14:30

If we can ban trans women from women’s spaces in case they are predators, can we ban men from children’s spaces in case they are pedos?

Apolloneuro · 22/06/2024 14:30

QueenofTheBorg · 22/06/2024 14:28

JKR should definitely not pipe down or shut up or wheesht, she is amazing.

I'm voting Conservative, based on this issue alone.

I see where you’re coming from, but I hope you think again. I feel strongly about the rights of women, but more strongly about children eating.

Despite their failing on this issue, I think Labour need to be in power.

Putyoursunscreenon · 22/06/2024 14:30

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 14:28

Majority of mumsnetters. Where the majority seem to earn over £100k !

Why ask on here then? If you thoughy the answer was going to be totally predictable due to us all apparently earning too much money!

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 14:30

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 14:28

Majority of mumsnetters. Where the majority seem to earn over £100k !

Firstly, nonsense.

However, please don't be under any illusions. It is the most vulnerable women who suffer from the erosion of single sex spaces.

Prisoners, domestic violence victims, those who have been raped, the sick and disabled, orthodox religious.

Also sportswomen and lesbians, though I wouldn't classify them as vulnerable in the same way.

risefromyourgrave · 22/06/2024 14:30

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 14:20

I’m sorry that happened to you. It’s terrible. It’s quite a unique situation and very difficult. I do not think any offender should be around children, male, female or trans. Thats basic safeguarding.

But you can’t apply one person’s terrible thing against a whole group of people. If a gay black man mugged you would you be able to say all gay black men are muggers?

I know some men are predators. I know some men are criminals. I know trans people can be too, because all people can be those things. But I also know trans women are victims of assault too. And i know that we are finding men’s violence really hard to tackle, due to misogyny and the patriarchy. I just don’t think that the “man in the dress” boogeyman rhetoric does anything but stir up hatred similar to that of the homophobia of many years ago. They’re a danger to our children, etc.

Most men aren’t rapists.
Most trans women are just women, trying to live their lives.

Yeah, that’s not answered my question though. Was he a woman when he raped me? He’s known he was a woman since he was a young child, so surely under your reasoning he was a woman raping me?
And comparing it to a gay black man mugging me is false equivalence. If the gay black man was pretending to be a white heterosexual man in order to gain access to more people to mug, then that would be more relevant.

maddening · 22/06/2024 14:31

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 13:14

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

Yabu to try and minimise the discussion to a- only your experience and b- to only be about single sex toilets - it is much wider than that.

Thelnebriati · 22/06/2024 14:31

The majority of women here think YABU but we are in the most vulnerable groups - disabled, incarcerated, in need of safeguarding - and we are the ones being ignored.

It makes absolutely no rational sense.

GailBlancheViola · 22/06/2024 14:31

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 14:22

Being obtuse is not the same as being clever. Just so you know.

People on this thread keep saying “if I saw a man in a dress” and my point was that you wouldn’t see that most of the time, you’d just see a woman and you wouldn’t know any different.

No, TW rarely, if ever, pass.

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 14:31

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 13:24

It's not that I feel uncomfortable, it's that I, nor anyone I have ever discussed it with, have ever encountered someone who is obviously a man in a ladies loo. I've lived half my life in the South and half in the North, admittedly mostly in poorer areas, and have never come across a man dressed as a woman in a public loo.

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Lucky you. I have. He was masturbating.

changedusernameforthis1 · 22/06/2024 14:31

Whilst it's great that you haven't had any issues with transwomen in your lifetime, you're missing the point.
There's a lot of things I haven't experienced in life, but that doesn't mean I can't see how badly they can affect other people.

I'm trans and I don't regret that, but I stand with women and support women because I know how it feels to be afraid for my safety, I've been through trauma and I've genuinely not known what was going to happen to me. Whether you've been through similar or not shouldn't matter - these things should never sit right with anyone.

Oldcodger6 · 22/06/2024 14:31

I hear you OP, but only because Labour will lose votes because of this and I agree with your first sentence. If the tories got in again because of this it would be beyond horrific. Looks like that won't happen though.

But in principle JKR should not pipe down because she is right!

AutumnCrow · 22/06/2024 14:31

I'm with JK Rowling.

She has consistently done something.

And she's absolutely right to talk loudly about the threats to the safeguarding of children and women from a lunatic ideology.

Starmer is either a coward, or muddle-headed, or in someone's pocket.

YellowDayToday · 22/06/2024 14:31

Most men are not rapists.

But all rapists are men.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 14:32

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 14:30

If we can ban trans women from women’s spaces in case they are predators, can we ban men from children’s spaces in case they are pedos?

Why nonsense straw men arguments? 🙄

Much closer to home - as 'TW' are men, why wouldn't the normal rules we apply to men not apply to them?

BodensFinger · 22/06/2024 14:32

SergeantDawkins · 22/06/2024 14:30

If we can ban trans women from women’s spaces in case they are predators, can we ban men from children’s spaces in case they are pedos?

We have safeguarding protocols in place for children’s. Staff are DBS checked for starters.

All women had was a social contract which is being aggressively eroded by trans activists.

Circumferences · 22/06/2024 14:32

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 14:26

I agree I should have worded it better. What I should have said is I wish she'd pipe up about child poverty, entrenched and worsening social inequality, underfunded public services. Etc etc etc.

JKR literally co-founded the charity Lumos and established the Volant Charitable Trust, named after her mother.

She's providing support for the most vulnerable children in society.

Rowling's charitable giving centres on medical causes and supporting at-risk women and children.

Honestly, you'd think - what more can she do????

DrNickedMaCorpus · 22/06/2024 14:32

YABU to tell a woman to "pipe down'.

Thelnebriati · 22/06/2024 14:32

No one has explained why its so important that women must give up our rights.

KTheGrey · 22/06/2024 14:33

PupInAPram · 22/06/2024 14:17

She's a one issue gal!

No, not having that. Lumos reunites children with families. PEN - defends freedom of speech which she did again with her message to Salman Rushdie after his attack; she has continually given generously of her time and effort to children, working to promote literacy and health - nobody else wrote them an entire book during Covid.

The charities she has donated to are listed here.

Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?
ScribblingPixie · 22/06/2024 14:33

Apolloneuro · 22/06/2024 14:30

I see where you’re coming from, but I hope you think again. I feel strongly about the rights of women, but more strongly about children eating.

Despite their failing on this issue, I think Labour need to be in power.

Labour will 100 per cent gain power, which as far as I'm concerned gives me the freedom to prioritise the issue that is most important to me with my vote (if I can find a candidate worth voting for).

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