Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

You don't get to shut other women up, nor do you get to tell them what to say

If people like JK pipes down, there’ll be more examples of men, convicted of rape against women, donning a skirt and lipstick, and requesting female jails (and getting them).

Well, we're not yet at the stage of offering men who identify as 6-year-olds primary school places.

There are family spaces/activities that don't allow single adults (see the recent story about Butlins not letting a lone woman book). All adults working with children have to have DBS checks. This is basic safeguarding. You're not making the point that you think you are.

(Having worked in the sector, I'd treat 'but I don't need a background check, I'm obviously safe' as a red flag in itself.)

I presume you're looking for justification beyond 'because the menz want them'? 🫠

The op came on here to tell JKR to 'pipe down'.

It's hardly surprising that people disagree... and it's certainly not bullying.

If you live long enough, you'll know polls are not to be trusted, and two weeks is a long time in politics.

How would I know the answer to that question. Only they would know that .

I’m sorry I am not making that comparison about what happened to you, no, the example was just saying can’t use one incident to make a broad assumption about a group of people. It’s terrible that happened to you but it does not change or affect the likelihood of other trans women or men-pre transition , being attackers. But a lot of people on here like to use single events to make broad assumptions about entire groups.

It’s what a politician needs to happen?

And for JKR not to rock the boat by being pro women in a way that impacts

So sorry you had to witness that @DrNickedMaCorpus

She absolutely speaks for me.

@SergeantDawkins can you post a link to trans women who you think genuinely pass as actual women without filters or any other manipulation? I have never seen one that isn’t readily identifiable as being a man.

Yes, that would be fantastic
I think she's too far down the rabbit hole to sully her ideological purity with politics though which is sad because she could make a huge difference

JKR is speaking up for many like me who have experienced abuse from men and who don’t have a voice. I am extremely grateful to her.

I agree with this. I have been at the sharp end of the gaping holes in public service provision - health, social care, education, public transport - that also massively and disproportionately affect women. That's my priority when thinking about how to use my vote.

To all the people who basically agree with JKR but think there are bigger issues to vote on, tell your Labour canvassers that they have an unpopular stance on this. It's not impossible for Labour to drop GRA reform and to better protect single sex spaces, but they won't if they think no one cares.

Google Lumos and Volant, two charities she founded. Support for women and children all over the world. We donated to Lumos after the invasion of Ukraine because they were working there.

Also the Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology Clinic for multiple sclerosis. She's personally donated many millions, taking her from a billionaire to merely a multi-millionaire.

Just because the media wants blood on the canvas and conflict, doesn't mean that's all she does. If you compare what Keir has done and what Joanne has done for women and children, she wins every time.

You may not agree with her, or like her, but her commitment to women and children is obvious. And that should give people pause.

I don't feel bullied. I'm not worried about the skew on mumsnet regarding the importance of trans issues. I wanted a real discussion and I'm getting one. I do hope we can all keep it civil though.

And me.

Quite. Excellent bit of "not my Nigel" there

Women’s rights belong to us not politicians and I am fed up of Labour, LibDems and Greens deciding to give them away to wokewash their parties and then calling women who object rights hoarding dinosaurs ( yes you - David Lammy)

But if we are to believe transwomen when they say that they feel like a woman, and have always been women, then we should believe him when he said that he was a woman by the time he raped me. Surely? How do we know which transwomen to believe?

'Too big for her boots'.😂

Please don't call people Men in Dresses.

Transwomen, transvestite.

I believe fully in the importance of biological sex and single sex spaces and it is significant voting point for me.

However there is no need to be rude. I fully support someone's right to believe they are a different gender and to present that way and to be addressed respectfully e.g. preferred pronouns and name, without veing harrassed or name called.

To call these people Men in Dresses is unnecessarily rude and does nothing to help people who hold views about the importance of sex and single sex spaces to articulate their concerns in a respectful and meaningful way without being dismissed as bigots.

It’s more about women’s sex based rights than ‘trans issues’ for many women

How do you feel about men in women’s sports out of interest?