Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

One of her practical solutions was to set up Beira's Place which is a great resource for raped women

How do you feel about sharing a cell with a man?
Dont bother telling me you'll never go to prison. I bet all those postmasters thought they would never go to prison too.

Oh yes because the one person you chose does represent all people in that group. Of course.
I assume Kim Kardashian represents all
women then? And Timmy mallet is all men.

@SergeantDawkins

Please can you explain why a transwomen is a woman. What is the definition of women that includes women and transwomen. Non circular definition only please.

At what point does a man become a woman?

Single sex facilities are provided on the bases of sex, not gender identity. Some of you are happy for women's facilities to be mixed sex, but you aren't content to leave anything for the rest of us.
And that's the problem.

I salute JKR for keeping this issue in the spotlight and holding Starmer to account on something that affects the safety of 50% of the voting population.

It is giving pause to the way I vote.

They invariably know what a woman is and use that knowledge to screw us over. It's like turkeys voting for Christmas

That applies to Labour - they do know what a woman is as they are quite happy to screw us over and remove all our rights to appease men. They did it with the sexist, misogynistic, homophobic GRA and the wishy washy EqA. Check how Labour protected primogeniture in the GRA, can't have men losing out on landed estates and titles, heaven forfend.

Exactly what they have said

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DjfKYpxIDAsw&ved=2ahUKEwjg34Kyo--GAxVoUUEAHeTRBwAQo7QBegQIDBAG&usg=AOvVaw20w73QudtzVl27Tyo95HQH

Oh pipe down.

You were the one who declared TW are not beardy men in dresses not me. Not my fault your assertion fell at the first hurdle.

They aren't proposing to remove any rights at all. They say they will protect single sex spaces, which is better than the Tories have managed.
Don't vote for them, your choice. But stop scaremongering about what they plan to do.

Trouble up is she thinks her opinion is far more important than anyone else's. It isn't. She is far too big for her boots IMHO. She should enter politics and stop using her money to give herself a voice.

Yep, it's why I was careful to say 'most women most of the time.' To be fair, it is wrong to say I wish she'd pipe down. I just wish she'd pipe up about things that affect far more women in far more areas of day to day life.

So are you really comfortable with the idea of a trans woman, penis intact, serving time in a women’s prison? With women never again winning gold medals at the olympics because trans women compete in events as women? Where trans women are employed in rape crisis centres? Where it is deemed offensive to use the term breast feeding and instead the term chest feeding has to be used?

I also cant get worked up about unisex toilets - I loathe them, but the toilet issue has always been put first by the militant trans community in this debate because it makes the whole principle seem petty. It’s about much more than toilets and much more to do with the erasure of the category of women based on sex-based rights.

I feel like you haven’t done your homework on this.

She's a one issue gal!

She was a victim of domestic violence - at a time when she was poor and vulnerable. She gets this a lot better than many on here

So... a trans focused service that focused on the unique struggles of trans women in that situation and doesn't take provision away from others, could meet that persons needs because?

I agree with you OP. I know lots of women IRL who feel similarly but on MN we are every much in the minority.

Hope your elderly mother never needs same sex care OP. Or is distressed with dementia, on a hospital ward with some bloke opposite. Not just about toilets, about safety and dignity in all areas of life where women are most vulnerable.

Except that they won't define precisely what they mean by sex. There is now (unfortunately) the concept of 'legal sex' which can be the opposite of biological sex.

So, any man with a GRC could enter female spaces with labours blessing

I’m sorry that happened to you. It’s terrible. It’s quite a unique situation and very difficult. I do not think any offender should be around children, male, female or trans. Thats basic safeguarding.

But you can’t apply one person’s terrible thing against a whole group of people. If a gay black man mugged you would you be able to say all gay black men are muggers?

I know some men are predators. I know some men are criminals. I know trans people can be too, because all people can be those things. But I also know trans women are victims of assault too. And i know that we are finding men’s violence really hard to tackle, due to misogyny and the patriarchy. I just don’t think that the “man in the dress” boogeyman rhetoric does anything but stir up hatred similar to that of the homophobia of many years ago. They’re a danger to our children, etc.

Most men aren’t rapists.
Most trans women are just women, trying to live their lives.

I don't think @SergeantDawkins gets out much.

Fight for a third space option and leave us to the single sex facilities we still need.
Stop linking other issues to safeguarding. It should never be held to ransom.

She is. I'm in my 70s and am very grateful a high profile woman has has the guts to speak out. It might not be important to the OP but women's rights are VERY important to me. I can't vote Labour after the way Starmer has treated Rosie Duffield, for just telling the truth.

Exactly