Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

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OK. Pretty rude, maybe you could engage with the statements.
I'm assuming then that you do condemn Maya Forstater for what she recently said about a doctor doing their job?
And that you would insist a woman accepted a TW nurse or carer, as there are plenty of male nurses and carers around?
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She should know better then and I think her willingness to ignore far more pressing issues for women in the real world is deplorable .

Women unable to feed their children, about to lose their PIP, with no SEN provision for their children, a broken NHS….don’t give a shit about public toilets.

You can't tell someone's sexuality just by looking at them.

Sex, however, is almost always very obvious.

She knows she can speak without being cancelled on behalf of women who don't have that privilege. That is a good and ethical use of the power she has. Other women have been silenced because of their need to make a living and the threats and campaigns from activists to lose them their employment. As a DV victim herself, JK can spot an abusive man at 50 paces. She has also put her money where her mouth is - into women's services, as well as other charities. Plenty of evidence.

Your smearing of a woman who has done far more than you will EVER do to help other women without your privilege because she understands domestic abuse through personal experience is shameful. Utterly. Tell me if you'd do the same as she has if you'd gone from an abused single mother on benefits to a multi millionaire, would you have set up women's shelters, and spoken up for abused women like she has, or would you just have spent it all on yourself?

For an issue that's such a non-issue this thread has got to what p15/16 by the time I post. On a thread that was started two hours ago.

Make of that what you will.

Thank you.

We are all allowed to prioritise what we personally feel is more important, but I do hope JKR says the things she says in full awareness of her privilege - she is a multimillionaire who will never have to worry about living in substandard insecure housing, heating the aforementioned housing, feeding herself and her children, having access to healthcare, having her children in a school full of RAAC... And yes, I know she's come from a tough background; I just hope she remembers it when she encourages people to prioritise a single issue above all others.

Trans women in the WI - absolutely
Trans women in women’s refuges - absolutely not.

Why should TW be accepted into the Women's institute?
Men can't be, so TW shouldn't be either, because they're not women.

Exactly

What motivates the denigration? Is it male focus or party loyalty

Trans women aren’t beardy men in dresses they are women.

No they’re not. They’re trans women. And nothing wrong with being so.

So you don't think it's important that women prisoners aren't put in cells or made to shower with men?

You don't think that disabled women should have the right to request female only care for intimate tasks?

You don't agree that female rape victims should have access to female only counsellors or support groups?

I appreciate there are lots of problems in the world and I appreciate that we have to prioritise, but I would hope you would not dismiss all this entirely. I hope your daughter is never in a position where any of this might affect her.

Spectacularly misses the point.

It’s the same old bullying obsessed posters trotting out the same stuff and ignoring any other opinion V posters who are sick and bored of it.

She's fully aware of it and uses it to help those who don't have her financial means and who aren't "uncancellable" for financial reasons. Women have LOST THEIR JOBS for just talking about this, ffs.

She wasn't always privileged. She was the victim of domestic abuse and a single mother on benefits when she wrote Harry Potter. Why are you claiming she doesn't "understand" it? She's lived it, probably more than most of the idiots criticising her on here.

Yeah, Labour will brilliant at protecting women with their penchant for open borders and rolling out the red carpet to backwards men from the third world. Not to mention the bending over backwards to their new Islamist electoral bedfellows.

I'm sorry that you find vulnerable women's need for single sex spaces and services so boring

You have absolutely no idea why he's not supporting Rosie Duffield. There is enough in the public domain about some of her other views and issues with her staff for me to think that "It's because he's a misogynist" or "it's because she's GC" are too simplistic.

To listen to women on here, you'd think Duffield was some kind of saint. The reality appears to be she's a not very effective MP who was happy to say "women have cervixes" at a controversial time There appears to be a bit of "cult of personality" going on.

You could say the same about Starmer, with the addition that he'll never be a women forced to pretend to be in women only spaces with men. And hes making the laws that allow that to happen.

You have no way of knowing whether your brother is a predator or a pervert actually.

Exactly. I used to work in a sex offender unit. No one can truly know anyone else.

Hence why, as part of the male sex class and statistically more of risk of causing harm, he shouldn't be in female spaces, predator or not. His mere presence may make others uncomfortable.

There's no way of knowing if any transwomen is a predator or pervert either. So you've just proved my point. You can't be this dense?

Incidentally life just left work and there a Pride thing just been on. I've walked past plenty of males in dresses. I guess they're not transwomen by your definition?

@PupInAPram In your more than 60 years, Labour have hardly been in power. You had ten years under Tony Blair and three years under Gordon Brown. The last time Labour won an election before that was in 1976, when you probably weren't even old enough to vote. So I think it's probably a bit of a stretch to say that Labour policies have made a huge difference to your life, since they've almost always been in opposition.

YABU to say that JKR or any other woman needs to shut up and stop talking about women's rights.

I think there's some serious cognitive dissonance motivating it.

As they see their side as the 'good guys' they cannot countenance them being wrong on this.

Please don't call people idiots because they disagree with you. Thank you.

It defies belief that Starmer hasn't got the integrity or moral courage to have spoken out against the threats and bullying of Rosie Duffield. Labour have engaged in a war against their own women (never mind the rest of us) bullying and threatening their own members and supporters who have spoken out about the terrible harm happening to vulnerable children being persuaded that their bodies are wrong but a sex change will cure it. Let alone women speaking up to keep men out of women's sport, prison cells, hospital wards and the rest.

He had a choice years ago when women on the left first started speaking out. He chose transactivism, to lie that women could have a penis and to frame the debate as a toxic culture war being carried out by unkind women.

Now he's being called out for his anti women choices.

Thats a bit harsh. PP sounds like she's having a hard time and you have no idea what she would or wouldn't support if she had the same amount of money as JKR.

The problem is that legal definitions being eroded and not fit for purpose have created a situation where this has become problematic.

It would be easy to resolve. But no one wants to do that. Why?

That what I want. Protections as they written already in the EA to be upheld so we aren't getting Kafkaesque court cases. Protections for homosexuals. And a clarification on where boundaries are.

None of this is possible if you can not write a legal definition of what a woman is. You can't legislate for a feeling. You can't legislate for being kind.

It is the job of MPs to write good law.

What's wrong with wanting that?