Are people actually insane?

[peopleareinsane]

Yesterday at my son's sports day a family brought an bully type dog onto the field in amongst the kids activities. Am I mad in thinking this is just twatish behaviour. Not all kids like dogs and they had it amongst everything, put me totally on edge.

I'm now at my daughters ballet class and sat in the wait room full of babies and toddlers and a dad has brought what I am sure is an XL bully in this room. It's tugging on the lead wanting to get off and is getting increasingly agitated.

What would you do? Are some people total fucking morons or aibu?

More fool you op. Days after another baby was killed. In each case I would immediately has gone to the person in charge and demanded that the dog be removed as the risk to me and my child is unacceptable. I would not care if the stupid idiot was not happy. He can risk his own family but not mine.

Dogs (any breed!) off lead amongst excited, loud children trying to enjoy their sports day should not be allowed. Same goes for school premises and children's classes. The owners who think this is a cracking idea are usually the ones who have no control over their animal (sorry, fur baby ).

p.s. a 'family pet' Malinois just mauled a baby to death in Coventry.

I really hate these big dogs. They should all be completely banned. If you want a biggish dog get something like a golden retriever. We have a miniature poodle, who wouldn’t say boo to a goose.

You should have videoed it - also I hope there is cctv in this place. I would call the police and ask them to request it and report these fucking idiots and their dangerous dogs.

School grounds this would absolutely not be tolerated

I’m actually pretty relaxed about dogs in indoor settings and would personally have no issue with a small well behaved creature watching the ballet
XL Bully not so much
of course where do you draw the line -
so they should probably just be banned completely

I think you did the right thing. You could have interrupted the ballet class and asked to speak to the teacher but the teacher could have also stopped the class and reminded the parent that dogs aren't welcome and asked them to leave. The onus (I would say) is on him or her to take the lead on topics like this. Had you challenged them yourself then it likely wouldn't have gone well (you're on level footing not the leader of the class) also they are stupid enough to think this is appropriate behaviour. That being said I would have spoken up simply because I don't think it's an appropriate place for any dog to accompany their owner.

We have had numerous parents who decide to bring their dog on the school run and into the playground. Despite complaints the school only did something about it when owners were not picking up their dog poop. Now some will tie them up to the gate as you enter the school, having no consideration that whilst their kids might not be bothered by dogs some very much are! It's entitled, selfish behaviour but that just seems like the world we live in now.

It's not too late to report it to the police now. Most police areas have their own online reporting system. If there is a next time, try to get a photo of the dog and owner, to help them trace them more easily.

God, some people really are beyond belief. Ever since the XL bullies hit the news, I've seen them everywhere. It just shows the cretinous mentality of so many people. I think a big part of it is attention-seeking. There is a guy near me who owns three massive husky dogs. He struts around the neighbourhood with his shirt off waving to people and trying to start conversations. He's clearly just an attention-seeking twat. I've never spoken to him, but I'll lay money he's the kind of man who disagrees with everything you say, just for the sake of it. You know the type.

You see this all the time. I mean people who will do anything to make themselves the centre of attention. What's the worst thing you could bring to a field filled with small, vulnerable, quick-moving children? Well, a massive, vicious dog. So that's what they do. Why? Well, because everyone will be looking at them. Same goes for those idiots who drive around in cars with screeching, souped-up engines, or modified exhausts that crackle and explode. What happens when you drive around in a car like that? Everyone looks at you of course. And people like that would rather get attention for the wrong things than no attention at all.

There's nothing worse than people with low IQs but massive egos. On the one hand, no one listens to them (because they're ignorant and boring and rude), but on the other, they have huge egos and so want attention. If they can't get your attention through what they say, they'll get it through what they do. One way or another you're going to look at them. The idiot who brought that dog to the sports day is no different to an obnoxious child who keeps showing off or won't stop crying even though nothing is wrong.

Except every week there's a new report of an XL bully attack. Thankfully it's mostly their dickhead owners they're attacking though. I've yet to see multiple reports of newfies or dalmations maiming or killing people.

That is: they were sizing eachother up roughly inside the gated play area. Where small children and toddlers are supposed to be able to play safely without massive dogs trying to work out who’s the alpha 🧐

See this is where it's get silly.
I have a bull breed. He's daft and he's powerful, but he isn't aggressive. We take all of the proper precautions. Always on a lead in public. And still people think they should be 'banned'.
If you're going to make these idiotic, generic statements at least do your research. Poodles and dachshunds have more reported attacks than English bull terriers who are no doubt part of this 'big breed' you think should be banned.
I hate XL bullies fwiw. They shouldn't exist. But banning all 'big dogs' is just fucking stupid and detracts from the actual problem.

Can people stop gaslighting the OP @peopleareinsane ...please?

By gaslighting I mean statements like

• This didn't happen
• This couldn't have happened because you didn't do X or Y
• Why are you posting here instead of doing X or Y
• This isn't believable because it talks about a popular or timely topic

I believe the OP because these dogs are bloody everywhere in towns. Worse, their owners are utterly entitled in the most silently aggressive of ways. I personally wouldn't risk my safety challenging them, which is why this perpetuates.

I think the OP is right to come on here and seek advice.

Because it doesn't fit the narrative, if you look you can find them.

I recommend googling "most aggressive dog breeds" Dalmatians are on the list relatively high up.
Just because it's not reported on widely in the media doesn't mean it doesn't happen - They aren't massively popular despite 101 Dalmatians, I expect due to the price, and they're also known for being quite aggressive dogs.
I'd wager that there'd be far more attacks if they were more commonly owned.

So with that being said, I'm not surprised that you've yet to see multiple reports of Dalmatians maiming or killing people - I've seen of at least two in recent memory, but then I'm interested in looking into dog attacks as I don't believe it's breed specific so ofc I'd see a wider variety of reports;

mauled by Dalmatian - 2023 news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2846739.st<a class="break-all" href="//51" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">yo Man Attacked by Dalmatian - 2023 www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dog-walker-mauled-dalmatian-horror-31479988<a class="break-all" href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dog-walker-mauled-dalmatian-horror-31479988" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">988

mauled by Dalmatian - 2023 news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2846739.stm

There's plenty of info online from people who deal specifically with dog attacks that many dog breeds can be, and are incredibly aggressive. They simply don't go reported on in media in the same way because they don't fit the narrative that a certain "look" of dog is the prime culprit.

There are also many bodycam videos online of police trained German Shepherds as another example just flatly not listening to commands from their handlers and causing a lot of damage, but no one ever wants to talk about those because it's inconvenient to know that even a police dog can still behave in such a way despite all the best training possible being given :/

It's all well and good to think that large dogs breeds shouldn't be in these places and I'm inclined to agree to be perfectly honest, but one should apply that line of rationale across the board of large dog breeds, not just to the ones that "fit the part" in a person's mind.

None of your links work.

The difference with XL bullies is that they're bred to kill. I know German shepherds are also aggressive, mainly through poor breeding that's led to them having a screw loose, but there's a much higher population of those compared to XLs yet there still isn't as many of those killing people in recent years. Check out the stats of killer dog breeds over the past few years.

If a dog kills, no matter the breed, it will get reported on. Nobody is hiding these stories to make the XL bully kills seem 'worse'.

You aren't a breed expert and it clearly wasn't a bully. There are other bully breeds which exist on earth. Education is key.

However no I don't agree people should bring dogs period especially big dogs to things like you said. It's just anti social

They are not breed to kill, they aren't fighting dogs. The dogo antino whatever it's called, can't be bothered to write it and a pitty are fighting dogs, fighting not killing.
Education is key. Not spreading misinformation

Exactly this. I live in London and visit playground all the time working with primary school children. Never seen a big dog let alone a bully dog in children's playgrounds or sports days in 12years but okay op 😄

If they're not bred to kill why are they then?

Since 2023 in the UK, HALF of all deaths by dogs have been by XL bullies, that's a huge percentage. seeing as thankfully there are far less on our streets than other breeds.

That's not misinformation, it's FACT.

@Opinionwontchangeluv what a weird thing for me to make up? A. Big. Dog. Was. brought. onto. my. sons. Sports. Day. Field.

Just because YOU haven't experienced things doesn't mean they haven't happened.

Jesus Christ some people really are daft.

@peopleareinsane A big dog maybe, now you may think its an XL Bully but unless you are a DLO trained in interpreting the DEFRA rules to make your decision you are not qualified to say it is are you? same as you @JacquesHarlow you say these dogs are bloody everywhere how do you know these dogs are XLS the answer is you don't unless you too are trained

@Oldsu yes, that is why I say a bully type dog. Haven't got a clue what kind of dog. But it was massive, muscular and I didn't like it being in that environment.

@peopleareinsane But you also said at the Ballet class a dad bought in a dog that you are SURE was an xl, well you can't be sure unless it was an xl whose owner was obeying the law and had it muzzled which you didn't mention, but if it again just a large dog not muzzled you cannot be sure it was an xl you are not trained to type it.

A staffy by any chance? As in the breed that is responsible for almost half of all dog attacks in the country? And has been involved in a dozen deaths this century?

After their breeding lobby got them exempted from the Dangerous Dog Act in 1997 (even though they're pit bulls) there was a staggering 76% increase in dog attacks in the following 10 years. And the numbers just keep going up since then.

Yeah, they're really cuddly and fluffy. Until one day they're not. Like Fizz and Dotty, who killed a baby a few years ago. I'm sure their owners also thought they were "daft and powerful but not aggressive"...

Please keep your bull terrier on a lead, muzzled and FAR away from my family.

We were at a farmers' market type place today, there was one of those huge dogs, no idea if it was an XL bulldog or just a mastiff type thing but it was massive. Owner had it on a tight leash but it was unmuzzled. Everyone was giving the owner a wide berth.

This is NOT acceptable behaviour in the current climate of dog attacks. The people organising these events need to make it clear that these dogs cannot be around children at all.