to be cross my ds has measles because other parents didn't vaccinate their children

[snickersnack]

He's 11 months old, poor little thing . Fortunately he's going to be ok - he got off quite lightly, I think - but it was scary and he was really poorly for a day or so. Spent 10 hours in A&E yesterday while he had chest x-rays, blood tests, IV fluids etc. Now we're just waiting to see if his sister,who's 2, gets it - she's had one dose of MMR already so fingers crossed she's immune.

We live in an area where immunisation rates are among the lowest in the country. Now I have to go and tell all parents of the other babies he's met recently that their children might be at risk as well...

And Greeny, I am with you (as on so many things ) on the dog shit. It makes me INCANDESCENT that so many people think the streets are their personal dog toilet and hang the (potentially devastating) consequences.

greeny

I'm not up to date. Is the government still saying they'd rather no vaccination than the singles method?

Even with boosters you won't get 100% coverage.

You can be as cross as you like, but it won't improve your child's immunity, or give you any right to dictate what cocktails of poorly tested chemicals I allow to be injected into my son. Nor will it advance your understanding of the very real and valid concerns that lead some parents to refuse certain vaccines. But bluster and arm-wave away, if it makes you feel better!

'Gardasil the HPV vaccine is a good example of this.'

As someone who has two strains of HPV that put my at a higher risk of cancer, and who volunteered my cervical biopsy and further tissue samples taken during LEEP for medical research into this vaccine, I'm very pleased this vaccine is now on offer to girls.

There's someone on here who lost her twins and her uterus to cervical cancer when she was quite young.

And plenty who've had to undergo treatment for cervical dysplasia, over 90% of which comes from extremely common strains of HPV.

I don't think anger is the right response really. It could have come from a vaccinated child, especially if measles is around a lot -- parents of of non-jabbed children will be checking for symptoms more closely than parents of vaccinated children, who probably assume their los are immune. So vaccinated children with measles would be more likely to be in school and mixing in the few days when not spotty but contagious.

I had measles as a child (according to my mother ). Didn't realise that bfeeding will make baby immune if you've had it? Is that definitely true? Is there any way of finding out if I have defintely had it - apart from my mothers rather sketchy memory!?

I don't see how this much talked about herd immunity works actually westcountrylass. Uptake rates are not high enough and vaccine efficacy rate is not high enough either.

I think it is Yurt1 whose child also caught rubella from a vaccinated child, we have spoken about it before. It is not that unusual. Live oral polio vaccine is no longer used in the west for this very reason.

I'm so sorry I meant to say I do hope your lo comes out of it well. He's less likely to get asthma now anyway (that comes from the WHO not a quack!).

Quick question for Beachcomber.. What sort of reaction did your child have to the DTP immunisation?

My DD2 had a bad local reaction, with an inflamed and swollen leg from the 3rd jab. My GP says it's ok to do the pre-school booster, but I'm concerned as her reaction to each previous jab was increasingly severe.

Just a note on the dog shit thing, I have 2 dogs and 2 kids, I resent the fact that I am being made to feel that I am a bad mother for walking my dogs. What about cats that get to roam free and shit in your garden????? I beleive the issue of this thread was measles, not dog sshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by the way have you investigated or asked your doctor about giving a few drops of Vitamin A? It's been shown to ameliorate the effects of measles. Not something I would do with an 11mo without talking to a doc though.

so singywife, your points were i) that we mustn't object to dog shit in our public areas, because you have dogs, and ii) that cats also shit?

That's put the tin hat on that debate then

No, BFing may offer some immunity to some diseases the mother has had but not necessarily.

For example, I have had chicken pox, my DD (3 years) got CP and everyone said my baby (4 months) would not get it but he did.

I had measles at 9 months and then again at about 7 yrs. Note that your baby might not be immune. When caught as a baby, apparently it doesn't lead to immunity.

I wasn't scarred in any way. Everyone I know had measles, as well, again with no problems. Back then children were expected to get and fight off the aptly named 'childhood diseases'.

Hope this puts your mind at ease a little bit.

singys - I hsve no issue with you if you pick it up, or btter, let them shit in a remote area well away from where children walk/play

Expat, Gardasil's safety record is not looking great so far. I was appalled that Merck was lobbying to have the vaccine made mandatory so early in its use. It may be the best thing since sliced bread but so far it has not actually been proven to prevent cervical cancer but has been shown to have unacceptable high numbers of adverse events associated with it.

Red admiral about 60% of children have a localised swelling to their diptheria vaccine but at long as it goes within 72 hours I wouldn't consider it a risk in vaccinating a child. But if your concerned you could ask for it to be done at your local hospital.

it's not about preventing cervical cancer, beach, but the HPV that can cause it.

If cats carry it to then that's just as bad. It changes nothing about dogs.

I can remember standing in my garden while a passing dog owner let his pet relieve itself on my path. I wondered how he'd feel if I followed him home and returned the favour.

And the topic was about social responsibility in spreading disease.

oh, now dogs are just vile.

smelly, hairy, licky, disgusting creatures.