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To think I heard a dog barking on a KLM flight?

113 replies

MorrisZapp · 21/06/2024 00:24

Is this possible?

I flew from Amsterdam to Edinburgh today with KLM. As the plane started to taxi before takeoff, I distinctly heard the high pitched yelps of a dog underneath us.

Do normal planes offer dog carriage in the hold?

OP posts:
LondonFox · 21/06/2024 15:05

liveforsummer · 21/06/2024 05:56

KLM may well take dogs on some routes but unless things have changed, Manchester is the only airport in the UK that receives live animals.

I was about to ask about this.
We always had to get fogs in by car bcs we were told no one operates return flights to UK with animals

LondonFox · 21/06/2024 15:09

TheLinguisticalGangster · 21/06/2024 13:24

How long can a dog survive, in an unheated hold at thirty-four thousand feet?

Hold got air and temperature checks.
If you fly with a dog in a hold you can ask flight attendant and they will provide info.
Also, pilots are informed if they have dog in hold. Mines went to plane multiole times.

SummerSnowstorm · 21/06/2024 15:40

MonsteraMama · 21/06/2024 00:26

Yeah KLM allow pets in the hold, and in the cabin on some flights. I got to sit next to a very pleasant cat recently, he was the best plane neighbour I've ever had.

Do they warn you that there will be cats on board when booking?

Howmanycatsistoomany · 21/06/2024 15:51

A few years ago coming homie from a work trip I flew KLM business class from Houston to Amsterdam and the woman behind me had a Shih Tzu with her. Which I wouldn't have minded normally but this thing farted (at least I told myself it was fart) the whole flight and it was disgusting. God knows what they'd been feeding it to make it stink like that.

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/06/2024 16:00

SummerSnowstorm · 21/06/2024 15:40

Do they warn you that there will be cats on board when booking?

No. And I doubt you'd be able to check in advance either. The best you can do is to find if the flight/airline allows pets to be carried in the cabin, and take your chances.

MonsteraMama · 21/06/2024 17:48

SummerSnowstorm · 21/06/2024 15:40

Do they warn you that there will be cats on board when booking?

They didn't warn me when booking, but when I got on the flight crew let me know my neighbour was a cat and asked if that was ok, or if they needed to reshuffle seating.

TheLinguisticalGangster · 21/06/2024 17:57

notimagain · 21/06/2024 14:56

As @Roryhon and others have said they usually go in the rear hold (on Longhaul aircraft such as the 777).

The Flight crew (pilots) get paperwork detailing what animals are on board, which acts as reminder to them to make sure that the appropriate hold is set to run at the correct temperature for the creatures involved.

When I was working it wasn’t uncommon to carry several cats and dogs (and other livestock such as tropical fish and some types of chicks) on an individual flight, and they’d be fine even on the really long flights like Singapore-> UK.

FWIW there are all sorts of rules about the exact way animals are carried and loaded in the holds, including factors like ensuring the loading team didn’t put natural “foes” in their individual containers in close proximity/line of sight to each other.

I was looking for an answer of "Oh, I used to know this one. It's always coming up at pub quizzes, now is it 3 hours and 28 seconds or is that a weasel in the submarine?"

Kendodd · 21/06/2024 18:03

ReadthemAndWeep · 21/06/2024 13:17

Sound like you are glossing over the part where I Google the "facts" from the "expert" and they are not true 😂

Can you just point out exactly where @realolivetraybake was rude? Nobody else on the thread has been able to see it and you've just been embarrassing yourself since. It's a real shame you've taken this position because you both seemed well informed and could have a really interesting discussion together, that we all could have learnt from, including you. You ruined it by taking offence at nothing.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 21/06/2024 19:06

I have read all of @RealOliveTraybake’s post, and can’t see anything rude in them!

pyjamalife · 21/06/2024 19:55

@ReadthemAndWeep you said you like to trust the KLM webpage, please look on their aircraft list for A320

www.klm.co.uk/information/travel-class-extra-options/aircraft-types

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_fleet#:~:text=Dutch%20flag%2Dcarrier%20airline%20KLM,primarily%20on%20long%2Dhaul%20flights.

Deliveries for the A320 are from July 2024. As we're still in June, @RealOliveTraybake is very much correct.

The ones you tried to show earlier were for a sister airline, not KLM but one of the branches of Air France-KLM: Transavia France

www.airfranceklm.com/en/newsroom/air-france-klm-takes-delivery-its-first-airbus-a320neo-be-operated-transavia-france

Please trust the genuine subject matter expert. As all who have praised @RealOliveTraybake today have really enjoyed their posting!

astarsheis · 21/06/2024 20:04

LondonFox · 21/06/2024 15:05

I was about to ask about this.
We always had to get fogs in by car bcs we were told no one operates return flights to UK with animals

I had to fly them to Schipol...then hand them to a pet handling service, they then put them on a KLM flight to the UK. When we all arrived at Heathrow, they got picked up by the Quarantine centre, all the paper work checked and I picked them up that evening. They did not have to do quarantine as I had all their rabies titres done before flying. BA do not fly pets directly in to the UK
I last flew pets back to the UK in 2017. It's easier moving with kids around the world than with pets 😁

LondonFox · 21/06/2024 20:09

astarsheis · 21/06/2024 20:04

I had to fly them to Schipol...then hand them to a pet handling service, they then put them on a KLM flight to the UK. When we all arrived at Heathrow, they got picked up by the Quarantine centre, all the paper work checked and I picked them up that evening. They did not have to do quarantine as I had all their rabies titres done before flying. BA do not fly pets directly in to the UK
I last flew pets back to the UK in 2017. It's easier moving with kids around the world than with pets 😁

Thanks!
It would be easier and cheaper to fly ten kids than single dog back to UK!

You are right, I erased the memory of very high quote to get dog shipped with company
It was significantly cheaper to get a man with a van and cross sea.

Cherrysoup · 21/06/2024 20:27

ReadthemAndWeep · 21/06/2024 01:14

Why so rude? A quick Google search on the klm website and it appears they DO fly the 320.

How on earth do you know what type of plane the op was on? I was giving her a possible explanation for the noise because I hear the same thing ALL the time during taxi, when I fly, and this is what the staff told me.

The poster was purely factual, not at all rude. This is the kind of specialist knowledge my dad would have come out with. 😢

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