To be absolutely looking forward to this Tory wipeout

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It isn't just me I'm sure but I am totally gleeful at this anticipated annihilation of the Tory party. I did vote Tory last time. But absolutely can't wait to see them routed. They've been awful. How could they have Liz Truss happen. She should have been chucked out the party.

At 21 I had no idea how much discrimination women face. It was only when I started to progress my career that I experienced direct discrimination for being a woman. It’s this sort of life experience that I am talking about.

And of course I wouldn’t have told your daughter to fuck off but with my first child I had a very newly qualified midwife for much of my labour and she was struggling. For example, she couldn’t get a catheter in and made many attempts causing me a lot of discomfort. Thankfully a more senior midwife plus the consultant and a senior registrar took over when things got really bad - I had very serious complications and a baby in distress. Experience did make these people superior at their job.

Can't wait!
As if many futile years of austerity, loss of favourable trading terms with our nearest and largest trading partners in an attempt to appease an extreme faction of the Conservative party and countless examples of corruption and incompetence were not enough, the economy was trashed by the last but one unelected incumbent.
I will be raising a glass to the end of the worst government I have lived through in my 68 years!.

‘Of course Reform are bunch of fraudsters too but they are new fraudsters, promising the world.’

On what planet are these people new? They were called UKIP which started decades ago under Sir James Goldsmith, then morphed into the Brexit Party. Now they are called Reform. It’s the same people! All bankrolled by Aaron Banks.

This some Superman/Clark Kent shit. It’s the same guy! It’s because of these snakeoil men that our economy is in the toilet. The Tory’s followed them down the yellow brick road to hell.

Be careful what you wish for. And remember that whatever colour of government we have, we need a decent opposition to hold them to account. If it’s the landslide that’s being predicted, neither Labour backbenchers nor Lib/Con opposition will be able to do much because of sheer force of numbers against them.

Why surprising. There is a significant minority that feel they have been let down by the current government but are definately not Labour....ie a lot of the working class (if such a thing still exists) that don't want their lives on benefits and work hard.

Labour will most likely get a thumping majority as a result of the voting system as the right wing vote is split but many cannot bring themselves to vote for more incompetence as in the current government. Unfortunately I doubt Labour will be much better. Very few of their MPs have any lived life experience outside of being some kind sort of special advisor etc.

How does an opposition hold any Govt to account?

They are laughed at, a majority of just one is enough to pass any legislation a Govt pleases.

Governments however, tend not to ignore their backbenchers, rebellions are embarrassing.

@TizerorFizz Your DD earns 270k per year??? really? MPs also get an extremely generous expenses package too plus what do they really do??? their staff answer all the questions.... many of them seem to be overweight, eating and drinking too much!!!

Your ignorance is impressive

Is that it? well, you ve made my point then haven't you..... now try and tell me again how an opposition holds any Government to account?

Sunak had a majority of around 40, a modest one, can you point to one single policy change he has implemented because Labour held him to "account" ?

No you cannot because there aren't any... but RS does listen to his own back benchers, such as the ERG, he takes not a jot of notice about Labour ones.

A tough job is a teacher, a HCP, a carer, armed forces and many others... not an back bench MP.

Well ...

There's a thing called checks and balances and the relationship between the courts, the government and the media.

A good MP can help sign post where there are problems or campaign. It is much easier to do if you are in a minority of one rather than a smaller party because of arguments over representation and legitimacy of the said argument.

It would be worthwhile understanding some of this before saying about there no such thing as opposition...

The tories have a majority now - how’s that Rwanda plan going?

Do tell me how Rwanda went? And remind me about the battles to get Brexit through....

And then there are the multitude of other legislation in parliament that gets debated and goes through committees and scrutiny

The high level headlines are only a small part of what goes on

No, he's being given the chance as he already demonstrated how capable he is. And honest.

The Tories have demonstrated how unfit they are for office - they have failed on every metric and the economy has almost been destroyed.

Starmer may well have had larger and greater plans, but he is being honest about what can be now achieved.

But regardless, as @CelesteCunningham said, he is intelligent and old school in duty to the country.

Not seen much of that over the past 14 years.

Last time I looked, Birmingham wasn't a country.

Did you feel like this when Boris won his landslide or is just Labour you object to?

@llamarammma No, he's being given the chance as he already demonstrated how capable he is. And honest.
How has he demonstrated his capability and honesty with his ever-shifting point of view, his ever-shifting policy and his inability to know what a woman is .........

The Tories have demonstrated how unfit they are for office - they have failed on every metric and the economy has almost been destroyed.
I can't disagree that the Tories have failed on many, many things

Starmer may well have had larger and greater plans, but he is being honest about what can be now achieved.
Starmer's modus operandi seems to be to announce hugely populist policies and then be unable to defend them when any criticism is levelled, so he just back-tracks

But regardless, as@CelesteCunninghamsaid, he is intelligent and old school in duty to the country.
He's trying to please all of the people all of the time and doesn't seem to have any actual beliefs of his own, His demeanour makes him sound intelligent and old school in duty to the country but the actual content of what he's saying doesn't back it up.

Not seen much of that over the past 14 years.
.......... and not seeing much of it now from any party tbh.

I'm not a Tory-voter and a Starmer-hater - I actually despair of ALL of the political parties these days and am going to struggle with who to actually vote for
It's not as simple as the Tories have made a mess of things so let's elect Labour instead so they can put everything right again ...........

I feel the same way whichever party has a landslide.

They can't earn their millions in consulting etc while in power

Eh? Admittedly they'd probably be able to do even more of it and earn more if they weren't MPs, but in the meantime:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-second-jobs-consultancy-paterson-b1953619.html

Same here.

But also, 80 seat majority isn't as large a landslide as the one Labour is predicted to get this time. In 2019 there were a reasonable number of opposition MPs elected.

One thing perhaps not given enough attention is what will happen in Scotland. Last time the SNP did well. That added to the number of opposition MPs. This time, as I understand, the SNP vote share is predicted to dramatically fall?

What’s Birmingham got to do with the price of fish?

I assume she’d had 3 years of training if a nurse or 5 years if a dr.

So not a doctor. Not qualified at 22. I don’t see the jobs as comparable either. I would like to see more experienced scientists in parliament though. We have far too many political SPADs as MPs who are not original thinkers.

@Alexandra2001
Of course DD can earn lots. As do others. Depends on what kind of job though!

My concern is that with a strong Labour majority, drawing us closer to Europe, the hard right will start to get stronger, as they are in much of Europe. We haven't had the demos from the EDL and National Front that we had 10 years ago. It could be very dangerous for the security of the country.

@Lincslady53 They are being sheltered by Reform. These leopards don’t change their spots, they just hide away and let Farage do the heavy lifting. Well a bit of gentle persuasion to the already far right!

It's because the NF, EDL are getting everything they want for the last few years, they have no reason to demonstrate. Honestly I don't understand this fear of the far right in Europe coupled with the 'thank goodness, that could never happen here' attitude. Have you actually looked at the policies these parties have and compared them to Tory/Reform policies?