to think the ageism on here has been disgusting recently

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Distaste for the idea of older mothers. Pesky pensioners daring to shop at weekends when they've 'got all week' to do it. Retirement-age people being lambasted for not resigning to free up jobs for younger people. A lack of comprehension as to why older people are even in the workplace at all. Calls for over-80s to be stripped of their driving licences. A solemn assertion from one pp earlier in the year that '60 isn't young. It's old.' like middle age doesn't even exist. And that’s just off the top of my head.

Some people are going to get a shock when they get older themselves, according to some of the comments I’ve seen on this forum recently.

Which makes him (just) a member of the silent generation as pearlsunderthesea said.

Don't join the debating society.

Sadly I don’t think you realize when you are having the piss taken out of you. Is that ageism?

Google tells me the best selling single of the 90s was Gangsta's Paradise. In the 80s Do they know its Christmas? What should we suppose this tells us about Gen X and Millenials? Then the 00s, when we have as our barometer of contemporary culture and thinking Evergreen by Will Young...?

Sadly, I think you are suffering from terminal Dunning-Kruger effect.

It tells you that there was some appalling musical taste. But my point was that really, dismissing the old or the perceived old has been with us a long time. And even if you wake up (hopefully) in this category one day, it won’t be changed. Older people (me in my 40s) have had a good deal. Young ones not so. Ageism goes both ways (detailed a bit more seriously upthread).

As I said, it's been with us a long time as part of rebellious teen culture, which My Generation exemplifies. I still maintain that its something the vast majority of people who mature normally grow out of and are even slightly embarrassed by. I know I cringe a little at how much I thought I knew compared to the 'out of touch' older generation when i was 15 or so.
What is new (if its even a thing outside of MN) is people in their 30s and 40s hanging on to the prejudices and generalisations they should really have matured out of. You can forgive a teen for thinking everyone in a 40 year age bracket, with literally nothing else in common but being over 60, shares traits because theyre 'old'. There's really no excuse for it from a grown adult.

Thats what the free bus pass is for....:)

I have several Triumph Doreens! I wear them for classes instead of a sports bra sometimes and they are really great under jumpers. I'm 37.

And do you not think it's ageist to assume they're not busy in the week and could go then, just because they're retired?

No?

I dont think all retired people are sat in an allotment twiddling their thumbs. But I would wager a guess that the vast majority are not going to be busy with commitments Monday - Friday during working hours.

Probably the same abuse as saying you don't think that woman over 50 should be having babies or that it's irritating to have to spend your entire lunch break behind waiting in queues behind people who clearly aren't using their lunch break to do so?

tbs, my teenage daughter loved triumph bras for her first ones - they are not all Doreen!
My simple take on the agism thing (at 59) is that youth is not a skill.
It'll creep up on them.

Is Monday - Friday 9-5pm the only working hours available too?

If so, any commitments they do have would have to be in those hours, as nothing happens outside of them.

I mean, you know its not, so what exactly is your point?

DH and I, even as retired (I do work part-time) oldies, usually shop at the weekend. During the week, we are volunteering, taking care of some admin and other chores for our adult children so they don't have to take off work, ferrying various grandchildren to their activities so their parents can work, going to doctors' appointments, going to the dog park (DDog likes to go every day).

Our lives are very similar to most people I know who are our age.

I will elaborate because nuance in conversation is frequently lost in Mumsnet discourse.

Of course, not every retired person is going to have free time in the week. Not every retired person may be able to shop in the week. There (obviously) will always be many exceptions to the rule.

I would also extend the same annoyance to other demographics of people who have time overall as a group to shop during the week, such as those out of work, on maternity leave, and even people like myself who have flexible jobs. IF you can shop in the week, you SHOULD IF YOU CAN. No one is saying you cant (because that is fucking ridiculous), but just extending half a brain cell of consideration to realise that hmmm, its much quieter at the shops on a Wednesday, maybe I will pop to Asda today as opposed to Saturday when its going to be really packed and people who have no choice but to shop on those days may have a slightly more tolerable time?

Older folks I imagine are the face of this annoyance because its the easiest group to pick out by looks. But of course its not just them.

Older people (me in my 40s) have had a good deal.

It might be a big shock to you... But everyone (in any age group) is in different same circumstances and has had different life experiences.

YOU might be doing well and that's great for you. Loads of other people in your age group have had things really shit.

I posted upthread about the 'hidden' pensioner poverty. Several million.

When you go younger, to people in their 40s and 50s, it's an even higher number in poverty.

Well if you understand how different people have different schedules, how can you not wrap your head around the fact that retired people might need to exist outside of what you consider normal working hours?

Because I dont think (as above post) at any stage I have said that there should be a blanket ban on everyone over 68 shopping in in the week?

Adding to my previous post, we shop on a Saturday morning because then it means we have all the lovely fresh, new stuff for the weekend. Which is when we usually see family (aside from those that work weekends), or go on days out, have actual time to cook nice things that may require the lovely, fresh new food.

Maybe retired people, despite being free on a Wednesday, also have family on a weekend, or go out with the grandchildren, have picnics, cook big meals. And so, practically, shopping on a Saturday morning works best for their lives.

Great, enjoy that crunchy lettuce.

Older people can shop whenever they bloody want, even if they aren't busy in the week.

Witty.

Just stop being irritated at people living their lives when and how suits them. Or, just do online shopping. It comes to you and you don't have to see any of those pesky people who don't work Monday to Friday.

You don't get to police how other people, of any age, spend their time.