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Do you believe in reincarnation?

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Jolly1112 · 15/06/2024 12:06

Ever since I was a child, I remember getting a strong feeling whenever we drove past a corn field with images of a man with long blonde hair chasing me and me feeling panicked,

I've always put this down to past life (may sound silly) and that we are constantly reborn,
The only thing that puts me off this theory is whether we only come back as humans or other animals too,

OP posts:
80schildhood · 15/06/2024 15:56

Should have mentioned that this happens over and over again.

TheBestBear · 15/06/2024 15:59

No. When we die that is it. Nothing happens. We just cease to be.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:06

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:33

I brought up sugar specifically because of people talking vaguely about 'energy'.

There's lots of chemistry involved but it's glucose that provides most of the chemical energy for our brains to work (sometimes it's ketones). It's not some special form of energy.

Energy is conserved but ultimately most of it ends up as heat. Entropy means the 'usefulness' of that energy will inevitably diminish. On a universal scale order moves toward chaos.

There's no evidence that the processes, and information stored in our brains which form our consciousness can in any way survive death - there's no mechanism for that to happen.

The thing is, you read books written by other people who claim to have done ‘tests’ and use some algorithms and scientific ‘data’ which ‘proves’ this, that and the other but does it really?

Yes, I know you’re astounded that anyone can be that ‘thick’ to even question your science, after all, where would that leave you scientists?!

Scientists are arrogant, prideful people who believe everything they read in their hero's books and look down their snotty noses at those who don’t. People only have to read your posts at the beginning of this thread to see how prideful and disdainful you are.

IsabelleHuppert · 15/06/2024 16:07

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 15:55

Had anyone read any of Anthony Peake's works? He more or less writes that we have two consciousnesses (?) the Daemon and the Eidolon. Our Eidolon consciousness is us..our personality and the us that friends know and describe. The Daemon is a mostly subconscious part of our consciousness. At the point of death our brains slow time and shows/gives us a complete rerun of our lives. We essentially do it all over again. Out Eidolon does not remember but the Daemon does. So when we have flashes of de ja vu or memories that we don't recognise, it could be flashes of understanding from our Daemon. People with schizophrenia and temporal lobe epilepsy are apparently more likely to experience information sharing between the eidolon and Daemon.

It's a fascinating book (even if you don't believe it which I don't think I do).

Anthony Peake who has precisely zero medical, neurological, or psychological qualifications, but doesn’t let that stop him shoehorning in imperfectly understood scientific theories, in many cases thoroughly debunked, in support of his personal pet hobby horse?

Honestly, he’s like loony Uncle Fred who gets you in the corner at family gatherings to talk about Qanon and satanic cabals and the royal family being lizards.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 16:07

You said sugar, then you said glucose.
Oh fgs, I used the general classification sugar for simplicity, then the specific sugar later. Does anyone really not know that glucose is a sugar? You seem to so I'm really not sure why you're labouring this.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 16:12

Yes, I know you’re astounded that anyone can be that ‘thick’ to even question your science, after all, where would that leave you scientists?!

On the contrary, science is a continuous process of questioning.

Scientists are arrogant, prideful people who believe everything they read in their hero's books and look down their snotty noses at those who don’t. People only have to read your posts at the beginning of this thread to see how prideful and disdainful you are.

Nope. Scientists know there's a lot we don't know (but that doesn't mean we know bugger all!) - and want to find out more. It's about asking questions, looking for evidence, testing, being prepared to throw out an idea if it's falsified. Very different to anything which relies on belief (let alone religious 'revealed truth')

gardenmusic · 15/06/2024 16:12

Auntimabelsbudgie,
And anyone else who categorically denies reincarnation -

That's a several religions debunked then, and several million? billion? people are entirely wrong

I believe OP.

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 16:14

IsabelleHuppert · 15/06/2024 16:07

Anthony Peake who has precisely zero medical, neurological, or psychological qualifications, but doesn’t let that stop him shoehorning in imperfectly understood scientific theories, in many cases thoroughly debunked, in support of his personal pet hobby horse?

Honestly, he’s like loony Uncle Fred who gets you in the corner at family gatherings to talk about Qanon and satanic cabals and the royal family being lizards.

Edited

But I love my Loony Uncle Fred! He's far more interesting to talk to than Boring Uncle Alf the scientist. 🤣🤣

I didn't say that I believed any of what he says. I did find the book incredibly fun to read. There were so many questions left unanswered. I also love a conspiracy theory. Again I don't believe them.

IsabelleHuppert · 15/06/2024 16:16

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:06

The thing is, you read books written by other people who claim to have done ‘tests’ and use some algorithms and scientific ‘data’ which ‘proves’ this, that and the other but does it really?

Yes, I know you’re astounded that anyone can be that ‘thick’ to even question your science, after all, where would that leave you scientists?!

Scientists are arrogant, prideful people who believe everything they read in their hero's books and look down their snotty noses at those who don’t. People only have to read your posts at the beginning of this thread to see how prideful and disdainful you are.

Uh, scientists are people who develop and test knowledge about how the physical universe operates. They’re interested in working hypotheses, observation, experiment, objectivity, and proof. You owe a scientist your vaccinations, your electricity, your appendectomy, your flight to Madrid etc etc. They’re not some specific personality type.

KrisAkabusi · 15/06/2024 16:18

That's a several religions debunked then, and several million? billion? people are entirely wrong

Well, that has to be the case anyway as only one, if any, religion can be correct. If Hindus are right, then billions of Christians must be wrong, etc.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 15/06/2024 16:19

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 16:12

Yes, I know you’re astounded that anyone can be that ‘thick’ to even question your science, after all, where would that leave you scientists?!

On the contrary, science is a continuous process of questioning.

Scientists are arrogant, prideful people who believe everything they read in their hero's books and look down their snotty noses at those who don’t. People only have to read your posts at the beginning of this thread to see how prideful and disdainful you are.

Nope. Scientists know there's a lot we don't know (but that doesn't mean we know bugger all!) - and want to find out more. It's about asking questions, looking for evidence, testing, being prepared to throw out an idea if it's falsified. Very different to anything which relies on belief (let alone religious 'revealed truth')

No evidence doesn't meant that something doesn't exist. Science hasn't been able to disprove reincarnation either. I don't necessarily believe that reincaration exists, but I'm opened minded about it because we don't really know either way.

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 16:19

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 16:12

Yes, I know you’re astounded that anyone can be that ‘thick’ to even question your science, after all, where would that leave you scientists?!

On the contrary, science is a continuous process of questioning.

Scientists are arrogant, prideful people who believe everything they read in their hero's books and look down their snotty noses at those who don’t. People only have to read your posts at the beginning of this thread to see how prideful and disdainful you are.

Nope. Scientists know there's a lot we don't know (but that doesn't mean we know bugger all!) - and want to find out more. It's about asking questions, looking for evidence, testing, being prepared to throw out an idea if it's falsified. Very different to anything which relies on belief (let alone religious 'revealed truth')

Science is about testing, proving and debunking. But what is tested is very much controlled by a small elite with money and power. Look at what has happened in the past ten years with universities and gender/sex.

I might not believe in reincarnation but I don't believe for a second that the "science" of consciousness is as robust as it could be.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:20

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 16:12

Yes, I know you’re astounded that anyone can be that ‘thick’ to even question your science, after all, where would that leave you scientists?!

On the contrary, science is a continuous process of questioning.

Scientists are arrogant, prideful people who believe everything they read in their hero's books and look down their snotty noses at those who don’t. People only have to read your posts at the beginning of this thread to see how prideful and disdainful you are.

Nope. Scientists know there's a lot we don't know (but that doesn't mean we know bugger all!) - and want to find out more. It's about asking questions, looking for evidence, testing, being prepared to throw out an idea if it's falsified. Very different to anything which relies on belief (let alone religious 'revealed truth')

I have no belief in religion. This isn’t either/or. Nor do I follow what is now know as ‘woo’. None of that interests me. What I really do not like is you and your fellow scientists being arrogant. You may think you have the answers to life’s mysteries, you really don’t. I suggest you treat people with the respect you feel you have the right to claim, instead of being rude and patronising as you were at the start of this thread. Try being humble for a change, it’s polite.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:22

IsabelleHuppert · 15/06/2024 16:16

Uh, scientists are people who develop and test knowledge about how the physical universe operates. They’re interested in working hypotheses, observation, experiment, objectivity, and proof. You owe a scientist your vaccinations, your electricity, your appendectomy, your flight to Madrid etc etc. They’re not some specific personality type.

UH, never said they were.

IsabelleHuppert · 15/06/2024 16:23

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:20

I have no belief in religion. This isn’t either/or. Nor do I follow what is now know as ‘woo’. None of that interests me. What I really do not like is you and your fellow scientists being arrogant. You may think you have the answers to life’s mysteries, you really don’t. I suggest you treat people with the respect you feel you have the right to claim, instead of being rude and patronising as you were at the start of this thread. Try being humble for a change, it’s polite.

This kind of nonsense really doesn’t deserve anyone performing ‘humility’.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:24

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 16:19

Science is about testing, proving and debunking. But what is tested is very much controlled by a small elite with money and power. Look at what has happened in the past ten years with universities and gender/sex.

I might not believe in reincarnation but I don't believe for a second that the "science" of consciousness is as robust as it could be.

I agree with you.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:24

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EatCrow · 15/06/2024 16:27

KrisAkabusi · 15/06/2024 16:18

That's a several religions debunked then, and several million? billion? people are entirely wrong

Well, that has to be the case anyway as only one, if any, religion can be correct. If Hindus are right, then billions of Christians must be wrong, etc.

Madness isn’t it! How can anyone not see it is merely a form of control?

gardenmusic · 15/06/2024 16:28

KrisAkabusi · Today 16:18
That's a several religions debunked then, and several million? billion? people are entirely wrong

'Well, that has to be the case anyway as only one, if any, religion can be correct. If Hindus are right, then billions of Christians must be wrong, etc.'

Prove it. Prove only one religion/belief if any, can be correct.
Prove one does not exist because another does.
Prove that we do not get whatever we believe in after death, be it heaven, reincarnation or spirit.
The only thing we can prove is that none of us know.

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 16:29

Calm down everyone. It's all just a simulation anyway.

SapphireEyes88 · 15/06/2024 16:35

I believe in the evolution of the soul. A soul must experience all sorts of things in order to achieve enlightenment and move to paradise (like Buddhism). Maybe it's just comforting, I've had so much abuse and trauma I've often thought I decided to get all the crap done in one life 😂 though I've had experiences that make me think I've been here before.
I do believe some people are old souls, mature and wise beyond years and experience. Some people are also clearly young souls. When you meet someone and just click, you probably met them before!
There is also much belief in spiritual communities that some disabilities such as Downs Syndrome are very evolved souls, seeing the world in a way we could never understand.
No, we'll never know what's on the other side until we're there, but that's why it's belief, it's faith, not fact.

KrisAkabusi · 15/06/2024 16:36

Prove it. Prove only one religion/belief if any, can be correct.

Logic? The world can't have been created by God and Vishnu and Zeus etc. Logically only a maximum of one can be correct.

gardenmusic · 15/06/2024 16:38

'Madness isn’t it! How can anyone not see it is merely a form of control?'

Never been controlled by my religion. I don't steal or kill people, but I frequently covet.

C1N1C · 15/06/2024 16:44

Conservation of energy/matter sort of implies that 'stuff' is neither created nor destroyed.... so if you think of it that way, we're all reincarnated into something! When we die (say, cremated), our carbon enters the air, is taken up by plants and we eat the plants... so we are, in effect, someone else already.

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 16:45

KrisAkabusi · 15/06/2024 16:36

Prove it. Prove only one religion/belief if any, can be correct.

Logic? The world can't have been created by God and Vishnu and Zeus etc. Logically only a maximum of one can be correct.

Or maybe they're all the inventions of psychedelic drug addled pre-historic people.