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Do you believe in reincarnation?

175 replies

Jolly1112 · 15/06/2024 12:06

Ever since I was a child, I remember getting a strong feeling whenever we drove past a corn field with images of a man with long blonde hair chasing me and me feeling panicked,

I've always put this down to past life (may sound silly) and that we are constantly reborn,
The only thing that puts me off this theory is whether we only come back as humans or other animals too,

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EatCrow · 15/06/2024 15:22

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 15/06/2024 15:18

How do we know that the science is correct? We actually know shite all

I agree, Scientism is, in fact, another religion. And now the gates of hell have been opened!!

Because no one can PROVE religion. But Science is proven. And that’s a FACT!

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 15:23

I just want to add, I don’t believe or follow any religion either.

BMW6 · 15/06/2024 15:25

Jolly1112 · 15/06/2024 12:14

I just can't fathom the concept of "nothingness", like eternal darkness doesn't even describe what "nothing" would be

But when you are asleep you are in the "nothingness" (dreams only last seconds) most of the time.

You only know that you've been asleep because you have woken up. If you didn't awake you'd still be in the nothingness - and totally unaware of it.

How awful is the nothingness every night?
How awful was the nothingness before you were born?

You can fathom it. You experience it every time you sleep.

tuvamoodyson · 15/06/2024 15:26

No.

Barefootsally · 15/06/2024 15:27

I don’t know. But I think there is far far more things that we don’t know about than what our brains are capable of understanding.

Its fascinating stuff and I spent far too long going down rabbit holes when I should be going to sleep 😁

Elmlee · 15/06/2024 15:30

Yes, definitely. I get very odd da-ja-vus.. I also have dreams and then it happens but only very small things.
My mum saw a psychic when I was a baby and she was told that she has been recanted a few times ... but apparently my soul is older.

I've always been more level headed than my mum and always found I'm the one advising her. Maybe in some way it makes sense.

I'm a firm believer in the afterlife though. As cucky as it might sound to some people xx

wannabebetter · 15/06/2024 15:30

As a pp said, matter is not created or destroyed, just changes. Everything on earth has always been here in some form or another. While I don't believe in reincarnation as such, I do believe (perhaps because it's comforting) that there are atoms in existence which were once part of every loved one I've lost.... I think energy is very powerful & like to think something of my dear dad is in the tides, the breeze, the new leaves on the trees. Romantic notion? Yes probably but there is some science behind it & it gives me peace

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:33

I brought up sugar specifically because of people talking vaguely about 'energy'.

There's lots of chemistry involved but it's glucose that provides most of the chemical energy for our brains to work (sometimes it's ketones). It's not some special form of energy.

Energy is conserved but ultimately most of it ends up as heat. Entropy means the 'usefulness' of that energy will inevitably diminish. On a universal scale order moves toward chaos.

There's no evidence that the processes, and information stored in our brains which form our consciousness can in any way survive death - there's no mechanism for that to happen.

Iwasafool · 15/06/2024 15:33

Rationally I don't believe it but one of my children insisted he had another life, pretty well as soon as he could speak. One of my GC is even more graphic about her other parents and her previous life. I don't know what to make of it.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 15/06/2024 15:34

Let's face it, nobody knows for certain! I hate it when people rubbish others for their beliefs.

We can't be sure there's an afterlife but neither can we be sure that when you're gone you're gone.

No, we don't 'know', but there's a big difference between saying 'We don't know how x works' or 'Well, logically speaking, the reason that x happens could be either this or that thing' on one hand, and on the other hand making up an appealing idea (or latching onto one that was made up long ago) which has literally not the tiniest bit of evidence whatsoever (even though people have been trying to convince others about it for probably millennia). We can't absolutely prove the existence of unicorns either.

JamMonster · 15/06/2024 15:35

It’s a very sad book but I highly recommend ‘God is an Octopus’ by Ben Goldsmith. When his daughter died he looked for ways/different views to help process his grief. It really got me thinking!

cuckyplunt · 15/06/2024 15:35

We came from stardust, we will return to stardust.. it’s not a bad thing.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:36

Because no one can PROVE religion. But Science is proven. And that’s a FACT!

science (rather than 'scientism') is a process of constantly testing, refining or chucking out hypotheses if they're falsified.

This doesn't mean we know shite all.Hmm

BreakingCycles91 · 15/06/2024 15:37

Icantpaint · 15/06/2024 13:16

This

i think the people talking about energy are (wilfully) misunderstanding the conservation of energy.

I dunno, the lion king gives a good thingy of it ( sorry cant think of the proper word )

"When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life.)"

That's my take on energy being transferred

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:39

Iwasafool · 15/06/2024 15:33

Rationally I don't believe it but one of my children insisted he had another life, pretty well as soon as he could speak. One of my GC is even more graphic about her other parents and her previous life. I don't know what to make of it.

Might it not be essentially something similar to the common phenomenon of little kids having imaginary friends? That seems like the simplest and likeliest explanation to me - the human imagination is a wonderful thing. But it's also good that as we mature we learn to distinguish between imagination and reality.

QueenMegan · 15/06/2024 15:40

No I've never felt that.
I do get dejavue but that's just your brain skipping or some other such explanation

WormBum · 15/06/2024 15:41

Science can’t possibly prove that nothing happens after death.

There so much about life that we don’t know, far beyond the comprehension of our brains.

There are intriguing cases of children remembering things they shouldn’t be able to, and near death experiences where someone has technically died, and in that moment has been somewhere else, or seen loved ones in different rooms or towns and later confirmed what they were doing, or saying.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:42

That's my take on energy being transferred

Yes, in that case more directly,the conservation of matter.
When dd was little and a goldfish died, we buried it in the garden and she was readily able to understand that its body would become food for the plants, that some of his atoms would become honeysuckle and Ivy.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 15:42

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:33

I brought up sugar specifically because of people talking vaguely about 'energy'.

There's lots of chemistry involved but it's glucose that provides most of the chemical energy for our brains to work (sometimes it's ketones). It's not some special form of energy.

Energy is conserved but ultimately most of it ends up as heat. Entropy means the 'usefulness' of that energy will inevitably diminish. On a universal scale order moves toward chaos.

There's no evidence that the processes, and information stored in our brains which form our consciousness can in any way survive death - there's no mechanism for that to happen.

So, I’m going to post a screenshot because you did say sugar. Or I wouldn’t have even thought of sugar. I’m not a scientist so I can only assume scientists know the facts they speak of.

Do you believe in reincarnation?
Iwasafool · 15/06/2024 15:42

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:39

Might it not be essentially something similar to the common phenomenon of little kids having imaginary friends? That seems like the simplest and likeliest explanation to me - the human imagination is a wonderful thing. But it's also good that as we mature we learn to distinguish between imagination and reality.

It might be but it didn't/doesn't seem like that. With my GC the memories aren't pleasant and they aren't things you'd expect a 2 or 3 year old to be talking about.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 15:43

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:36

Because no one can PROVE religion. But Science is proven. And that’s a FACT!

science (rather than 'scientism') is a process of constantly testing, refining or chucking out hypotheses if they're falsified.

This doesn't mean we know shite all.Hmm

I agree with your last sentence.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:45

So, I’m going to post a screenshot because you did say sugar. Or I wouldn’t have even thought of sugar. I’m not a scientist so I can only assume scientists know the facts they speak of.

Eh? Yes of course I said sugar, what's your point? Confused

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 15:51

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2024 15:45

So, I’m going to post a screenshot because you did say sugar. Or I wouldn’t have even thought of sugar. I’m not a scientist so I can only assume scientists know the facts they speak of.

Eh? Yes of course I said sugar, what's your point? Confused

Well, as I said, I’m no scientist. You said sugar, then you said glucose. And when I asked which it was I get you putting that little face on. So -

Sugar refers to sweet-tasting carbohydrates, like sucrose from sugar cane, while glucose is a specific simple sugar used for energy in living organisms.

So you definitely said sugar.

I mean, you’re the scientist so make it easy for us that aren’t is all.

EatCrow · 15/06/2024 15:53

And when you state that posters are ‘wilfully’ not understanding things you scientists say, it kind of rubs me up the wrong way.

80schildhood · 15/06/2024 15:55

Had anyone read any of Anthony Peake's works? He more or less writes that we have two consciousnesses (?) the Daemon and the Eidolon. Our Eidolon consciousness is us..our personality and the us that friends know and describe. The Daemon is a mostly subconscious part of our consciousness. At the point of death our brains slow time and shows/gives us a complete rerun of our lives. We essentially do it all over again. Out Eidolon does not remember but the Daemon does. So when we have flashes of de ja vu or memories that we don't recognise, it could be flashes of understanding from our Daemon. People with schizophrenia and temporal lobe epilepsy are apparently more likely to experience information sharing between the eidolon and Daemon.

It's a fascinating book (even if you don't believe it which I don't think I do).