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School fees and inheritance. I have my hard hat

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barenakedhazy · 14/06/2024 21:16

I have 3 children, currently all at Uni. My sister is child free by choice.

11 years ago my husband and I sat down and did the maths about school fees for secondary school. We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were
twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.

When we told my dad this he made us an offer. He'd recently sold his house to downsize to a small flat in an over 50s block and he was cash rich. He offered to pay for the kids to go to school. He felt really strongly about them going and this mattered to him- more than it mattered to us frankly. To ensure their education wouldn't be disrupted he paid the school for 7 years up front for each child. This was just over £100k each.

He then changed his will stipulating that my sister would get the first £300k of any inheritance, with the remainder split between us. (Look - before people start pulling this apart it was a lot more complicated and involved- this is just a simplified summary). He felt confident this wouldn't be a problem as he owned a property he'd paid £250k for and had another £200k left after paying the school fees, as well as a good pension for day to day living.

Over the next 10 years things weren't brilliant. In summary- flat was a terrible investment which cost £50k in 5 years for leasehold repairs and eventually sold for less than he bought it. There were some mistaken investments. He helped out his sister with a loan and she then died and our cousins were dreadful and said without a legal loan agreement they wouldn't repay from her estate. Finally there was a fall that hospitalised him and left him wheelchair bound and needing full time care.

My dad died 7 months ago and after over 5 years in a care home there was almost nothing left for an inheritance.

My sister and I are joint executors and she is furious. She says I got over £300k and she got nothing. She wants £150k off my husband and I to make it "fair".

I understand she's upset and do see how it seems wrong. However we weren't going to go the private school route as we couldn't afford it- this was something that mattered to my Dad and which he did for his grandchildren. I said I see it as a gift to his grandchildren- she says she's being punished for being child free.

I was sympathetic but she's been so bloody horrible that I'm at the stage of just telling her to get lost and never speaking to her again. She's made Dad's death all about money and seems more upset that there's no inheritance than the fact that he's died. She visited rarely and had nothing to do with setting up the care home or managing the fees- I had POA and did all of that. Now she wants his accounts audited and I'm so angry at the implication that I mismanaged things.

Anyway. AIBU to tell her that she's not getting £150k off us? We do have the money as we are both in well paid jobs and she's always struggled to find her niche which I think makes things harder. She lives alone and doesn't have a lot saved for retirement which has been worrying her, so I think some of this is because she was relying on dad's money. However if she'd have bothered to get involved in his care she'd have seen the situation in real time.

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theowlwhisperer · 15/06/2024 09:22

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you mean stop paying for the care home? Seriously?

coupdetonnerre · 15/06/2024 09:23

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Flowerpowera7 · 15/06/2024 09:23

When one of your kids is child free and the other is not.. will you pay for your grandchildren private school and not help the other child?

CovertPiggery · 15/06/2024 09:23

hairbearbunches · 15/06/2024 09:18

@CovertPiggery Yes they were. They could afford and had budgeted to send 2 to private school but they had twins with their 2nd attempt and just couldn't stretch to paying for 3. They could have accepted just the extra to top them up, but they accepted the lot for all the children.

I'm not following your logic.

When they had twins, they decided not to send any of the children to private school. They were going to spend £0 on it.

OPs Dad then decided to pay for the children to go to private school. OP saved £0.

OPs savings are the same amount they would have been whether her Dad paid for private school or not.

Given the situation leading to her Dad having no money left, it's likely there'd be no inheritance left for anyone even if he hadn't paid for the fees.

LuckySantangelo35 · 15/06/2024 09:24

Wafflesandcrepes · 15/06/2024 09:18

Also OP, with 150k in savings, you shouldn’t be helping your kids with deposits. It’s money you might need in your old age. You need to teach them to stand on their own two feet.

@Wafflesandcrepes

this op! They’ve had a great start in life , better than most. I’m sure they will get good careers after such a great education.

YankeeDad · 15/06/2024 09:24

SwordToFlamethrower · 14/06/2024 21:27

She's your sister, your dad was so generous, take a leaf from his book.
Give her the money and with blessings too, I'm getting the impression that your dad would be pleased if you did this.

^This.

If you have loads more in the bank than £150k, then a better relationship with your sister will bring you more happiness than the extra £150k. So even from a selfish point of view it could be best option for you.

TakeMeDancing · 15/06/2024 09:25

Too many unknowns here. If grandkids’ education hadn’t been funded, we don’t know where that £300k would have gone. Further investments gone bad? Bigger loan to the aunt? Further care costs (government only steps in once resources are spent—perhaps the extra £300k in savings would only have delayed his government intervention and been spent anyway). There is no guarantee that the £300k would still be there. It’s unreasonable for DH to his DSis his family’s inheritance to make up for her disappointment.

YankeeDad · 15/06/2024 09:25

JustPleachy · 14/06/2024 21:22

I’m quite torn really.

My knee jerk reaction was no, she’s a bit deluded about the whole thing.

But then you said you do have the money and she is struggling. She is your sister, and it seems likely this is more of a symptom of that struggle and worry than anything else. People aren’t perfect. It depends on how much you value your relationship with her.

Also ^this

SocoBateVira · 15/06/2024 09:26

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Why 'probably'? There's not enough information here to make that call.

OP had POA, which I assume is what you mean by 'in charge of the estate' since the estate is what's left after death. POA only kicks in when a person loses capacity. DF made some badly performing investments, ie he did it himself, and there's nothing to say he didn't then have capacity to do so. Having POA doesn't mean you can do anything about the person's decisions while they still have capacity to make them.

hairbearbunches · 15/06/2024 09:26

@CovertPiggery

This is what the OP said :

11 years ago my husband and I sat down and did the maths about school fees for secondary school. We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were
twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.

Had they not had twins, they would have been paying for 2 children to go through private school. The Dad then paid for all 3 to go, saving them £200k that they would have spent themselves and were going to spend themselves.

Youdontknowmedoyou · 15/06/2024 09:27

You don't owe your sister anything at all. Move on.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 15/06/2024 09:28

@mupersum1 - but the dad also saw the money given to the aunt as a loan. If anyone owes the sister money, it’s the cousins who decided as their uncle (the OPs dad) couldn’t prove their mum agreed the money he gave was a loan, they’d keep it.

mind you, it sounds like if he’d not paid for schooling the money would have gone anyway, OP did your sister really not understand how much care costs?

Portfun24 · 15/06/2024 09:29

Your dad must of seen his money dwindling from the loss of money on the flat and investments. Was there never any conversation about the inheritance being massively reduced, even when your cousins didnt repay?

Its a difficult one, but personally I'd not be giving away ALL my savings with no option to help my children or have a buffer but would give her 50k or something, even if it meant losing the relationship.

This was your father's decision that's done this, not yours, he was in charge of his finances.

CovertPiggery · 15/06/2024 09:29

hairbearbunches · 15/06/2024 09:26

@CovertPiggery

This is what the OP said :

11 years ago my husband and I sat down and did the maths about school fees for secondary school. We had planned to send our children privately but the youngest two were
twins and while affording 2 would have been possible, 3 wasn't. We were disappointed as we'd planned for this school, but instead started looking into moving house.

Had they not had twins, they would have been paying for 2 children to go through private school. The Dad then paid for all 3 to go, saving them £200k that they would have spent themselves and were going to spend themselves.

OP says once they had twins they worked out that they could no longer afford private education.

They decided to send their children to state school at a cost of £0.

Her Dad then said he'd pay for them all.

Savings them £0.

Once the twins were born they were never going to spend the £200k. They were going to spend £0.

Moobootoyoutoo · 15/06/2024 09:29

Is there an alternative here, could you buy your sister somewhere to live for c£150k that she has a lifetime interest in and on which she pays no rent but any maintainable costs, on her passing that would return to your children and it's 'safe money' in that your sister doesn't directly get it but does benefit. I'm sure there are moral issues with this too as it would restrict her options etc etc but just wondering if it's an alternative

SocoBateVira · 15/06/2024 09:30

theowlwhisperer · 15/06/2024 09:22

you mean stop paying for the care home? Seriously?

I read that as a reference to the bad investments, ie the poster failing to understand that you don't get to prevent a person with capacity from making bad choices with their money even if you have POA. But it could be your interpretation too, which yep is even worse!

hairbearbunches · 15/06/2024 09:31

@CovertPiggery That's just semantics. If those twins had been one child, they would have been paying for both of them to go to private school because they had worked out they could afford it and were going to budget for it. They were saved £200k because the Dad didn't just pay for the 3rd child, he paid for them all.

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 15/06/2024 09:31

I don’t think you should just give your sister a large chunk of money but you’re purposefully painting her in a bad light - the affair, the rehab, the jobs etc. Your dad judged her when he was alive and now you are too.
You are going to lose your relationship with your sister if you don’t even begin to show some empathy for her situation.
You benefitted beyond belief from your dad’s generosity and you need to try and show your sister some understanding and care.

Zhampagne · 15/06/2024 09:31

OhTediosity · 15/06/2024 09:03

How much do your DC know about all this?

I would like to know the answer to this, too. I am sure they are aware of their privilege in benefiting from private education, financial support at university (presumably with zero or minimal student debt) and a forthcoming house deposit. In their position I would want to know if matters relating to this could cause a family schism.

IgnoranceNotOk · 15/06/2024 09:32

This is really difficult and I feel for both sides. However if I had a choice between private school and being able to give my children a deposit for a house - I’d go with the deposit!

I think your dad actually made it worse putting your sister in the will for the first £300k (as it seems unlikely he’d have that if he didn’t have loads left to begin with). And if he’d just gifted the money to your children, leaving you out of it, that would have been clear.

I don’t know what the answer is - but I don’t envy you having to find it!

I did wonder about you putting your sister in your will to share some of it back then but that’s probably of little use as she may go before and doesn’t have children to pass onto.

She will not (and maybe rightly so) understand why you want to prioritise your savings for your children to secure them in a home.
I can see you now feel blackmailed by your dad and your sister after not planning to pay for private school and by giving your sister your savings you will have paid for it anyway !

someonethatyoulovetoomuch · 15/06/2024 09:33

I’m very torn on what the right answer is here, but it’s relevant if the majority of your savings comes from your DH’s inheritance from his mum. It’s not just the OPs money to hand over to her sister, because her sister feels entitled to it. You can say married money is shared money all you like, but if I inherited off my
parents & contributed to savings, and my DH told me
we needed to give a sizeable chunk of that money to his brother, I’d tell him to fuck off. Nobody is entitled to an inheritance, it’s shit the money ran out but your dad spent it how he wanted to and now it’s gone. Yes it’s going to feel unfair to your sister, but that doesn’t mean she can now demand a huge amount of money from you because she feels entitled to it.

If you want to salvage a sibling relationship, I would think about what you & your DH feel comfortable giving to her, whether that’s £5k/£50k/£150k. The money isn’t wholly yours and therefore any decision about giving it away needs to be a joint decision.

Needanewnamebeingwatched · 15/06/2024 09:33

Why don't you pay £75,000 into her pension?

Half of yours and your husbands money, and will give her future stability

dreamingofsun · 15/06/2024 09:34

1 Sounds like your sister will always be broke and i think whatever money you give her she will hold your wealth against you.

2 the money was given to his grandkids, not you personally. My MIL has recently done the same and I wont be paying BIL any money even though he is broke. This arrangement is my MIL's decision.

3 you dad has messed up. Its not your role to correct his errors and its not yours to correct your sisters.

4 you and your kids have money at the moment. who knows what the future holds.

I am surprised how many people think you should give your sister money.

StudySkillsCoach · 15/06/2024 09:34

It was @barenakedhazy DF decision to pay for the school and to lend money to his sister. His health led to care home fees.

You do not owe your sister £150,000. Because she didn’t engage earlier she clearly had no understanding what was happening and that is her fault not OP. The value of any asset is not guaranteed to increase. Inheritance is not guaranteed.

just because OP has savings doesn’t mean she has to sacrifice her children’s house deposits to fund her sister’s lifestyle

CovertPiggery · 15/06/2024 09:34

hairbearbunches · 15/06/2024 09:31

@CovertPiggery That's just semantics. If those twins had been one child, they would have been paying for both of them to go to private school because they had worked out they could afford it and were going to budget for it. They were saved £200k because the Dad didn't just pay for the 3rd child, he paid for them all.

That's such an odd leap.

The OP did have twins so it's irrelevant what would have happened if she didn't.

You could just as easily say if her sister had kids, their education would have been paid for too.

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