That restaurants should know parmesan isn't vegetarian?

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My Mum has booked this restaurant and asked if I want to come along.

Surely the chef should know this?

https://www.315barandrestaurant.co.uk/

Wibu to get in touch with them and ask if it is actually a parmesan substitute (in which case it should be labelled correctly!) Or if they can develop a different dish that actually IS vegetarian? There are two dishes with parmesan on the vegetarian menu.

I agree. I’m vegetarian too and find it deeply tedious that something I know without having done research is not known by someone for whom food is their job.
Haven’t read the full thread but Parmesan has protected designation of origin status. Its recipe is fixed so it can never be vegetarian. Gorgonzola is the same.

Close, but not quite.

Parmesan has protected status within the EU. As the UK is no longer in the EU, it no longer has that status here.

Those with lactose intolerance might choose a vegan dish as it wouldn’t contain dairy. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Ah that explains it @NeverEnoughPants.

Knew in the past that Parmesan was not vegetarian, but now there are'vegetarian' types available. Was wondering what had changed.

@laylababe5 , Lots of people consider themselves vegetarian but eat eggs and dairy products.

Vegetarianism is the practice of abstaining from the consumption of meat (red meat, poultry, seafood, insects, and the flesh of any other animal). It may also include abstaining from eating all by-products of animal slaughter.

Yes, MAY also include, like you said. The definition of a vegetarian is much looser than that of a vegan.

@laylababe5 , your post implied that people who eat eggs and dairy aren't vegetarians.

Dairy and eggs aren't by-products of animal slaughter, unless the cheese is made with rennet or the egg is fertilized.

I was more saying that there are vegetarians who don't eat eggs and dairy because they came from an animal, at the more strict end of the scale, and ones who do, who are more loose with the term.

Kind of are. What happens to the cows that have been producing your milk when they're at the end of their tortured fertile life through infertility, lameness or their milk production isn't deemed sufficient?

@Demonhunter , the milk and eggs aren't by-products of animal slaughter.

@laylababe5 , there are different types of vegetarians. I'm a strict lacto-ovo-vegetarian. Your 'strict vegetarian' is a vegan.

Louds of restaurants haven’t got a clue.
Vegetarian since 1980 and it’s exhausting especially as most now declare which food is vegetarian only to get it wrong.

Jamie Oliver restaurant a few years back had a desert marked as vegetarian that had gelatine in.
I was surprised to see Pannacota on the menu labelled as vegetarian. I queried it with the waiter who went to ask the chef. He came back and said the chef didn’t know the ingredients as it is delivered in powdered form!
I made a formal complaint in writing and it suddenly disappeared from their online menu.
So NOT vegetarian then.

Dont trust the labelling on menus……. Ever.

That’s veganism, not vegetarianism

Not quite
Its still protected

The point of the post is the incorrect labelling. Chefs cannot do whatever they like when they are labelling foods for certain diets. Imagine a meal stating it didn’t contain nuts when it did and someone dies.
Restaurants and chefs have a duty of care to their customers.

Just looked at the menu OP
Why would a vegetarian eat at this place unless they want three courses of soup of the day.
This is one of the worst menus I’ve seen in a long time!

@IAmNotASheep , are you looking at the vegetarian menu?
Vegetarian Menu – 315 Bar and Restaurant, Lepton, Huddersfield

Ooop!
Thanks, no I just looked at the menus on the main page.

Still crap isn’t it.
A lot of people don’t like strong cheese ie goats or blue, myself included.
So I’d be stuck with one thing to eat ie the roasted veg…..🤣🤣 no Parmesan.
oo and lots of soup of the day!

This is the sort of meat fest restaurant pandering to the odd vegetarian in the group….without knowing what vegetarians can eat obviously.

Id email them and ask them to clarify ingredients

You might also want to ask if that pesto is vegetarian as pesto contains Parmesan !

Ok, to be more precise then, cows are slaughtered for meat when they're deemed redundant in producing milk for their offspring which instead you want. So you use the cow while she's alive and meat eaters use her in death.

Vegetarians do not eat anything that comes from the murder of animals. Although there are different types of vegetarians ……some will not wear leather , drink milk, eat dairy, eat eggs and so forth

The dairy cow, technically, once no longer producing milk could be left for a happy retirement in a lovely field with other cows and well cared for.

The cow, however is slaughtered to feed meat eaters.
Thats not a vegetarians choice it’s the farmers and the meat eaters.

What has that got to do with the responsibility of a restaurant to label food correctly ?

And where do you think all the dairy cows ACTUALLY go? Where are all the retired cows meant to go to retire, you realise how many there are to produce milk for humans.

They actually go to slaughter, after being kept captive, forcibly inpregnated, had their newborns removed and often slaughtered within days and then forced to produce milk by machines for human consumption. That's the vegetarians choice isn't it, to be complicit in that.

Plus the part removed is often the protein so technically you are eating a vegetable dish, not a balanced vegetarian dish.
Not to mention flavour. If a dish is formulated relying on the flavour of some animal and that animal is removed nothing is put back to enhance the flavour.

It’s pure Ill thought out laziness and should not be a modus operandi in a restaurant.

You pointed out meat eaters are using up a bi product of a vegetarian diet. Cows are not a bi product and do not need to be slaughtered because they are not producing milk. With that thought alone we’d all be killing everything that was passed it’s prime or not useful to society. We don’t do this though, do we!

or rather we do, just to animals
So the only reason dairy cows are killed is to feed meat eaters.

The best scenario of course is to not have cows milk at all. Then there would be no need for retired dairy cows to live out their retirement on pastures green and no need for cows at all really.

Point being, if there was no need for dairy cows (which you're all conveniently ignoring what happens to them to produce the milk) there wouldn't be a mass amount of retired dairy cows with no means to let them all live out a long life, not that many would as their health is so damaged by the torture they endure to produce the milk.

Cows, like other animals people deem unacceptable to eat, could live, in small herds and there could be funding to ensure this and prevent their extinction, without being used and abused in life before being slaughtered.

Vegetarians have no grounds to be on their moral high horse when they're adult humans happy to consume dairy knowing what the cows and their calves go through.

Why aren't they pushing for human breastmilk to be produced in the same way, instead of the insistence of milk of other species? Vegetarians consuming dairy obviously don't care about the lives of the animals really, do they?