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Paula Vennells was done the other week, the Post Office Inquiry is now questioning associates and others - thread 3

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nauticant · 11/06/2024 06:23

A continuation of this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5081592-paula-vennels-being-questioned-at-the-post-office-inquiry-followed-by-others-thread-2

When the hearings are going on, live-streaming can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/featured

All of the previous hearings can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/videos

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DanielGault · 11/06/2024 11:59

This is like trying to get blood from stone really.

PerkingFaintly · 11/06/2024 12:03

Someone must have told him at the break to stop swinging on his chair!

nauticant · 11/06/2024 12:13

There's not going to be much time to cross-examine Grabiner the afternoon so I assume it's going to pretty much focus on the single issue of the decision-making behind the recusal application.

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PerkingFaintly · 11/06/2024 12:14

de Garr Robinson re Gareth Jenkins: "He was a Doctor."
Beer: "No he wasn't."

AutumnCrow · 11/06/2024 12:18

Thanks for the thread, @nauticant.

I liked Robinson's use of 'cavilling' (as in, 'I'm not ...) and Mr Beers's immediate raised eyebrows and comment. But Robinson then immediately changed it to 'not fencing with you' but that's not what 'cavilling' means. Odd.

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:19

AutumnCrow · 11/06/2024 12:18

Thanks for the thread, @nauticant.

I liked Robinson's use of 'cavilling' (as in, 'I'm not ...) and Mr Beers's immediate raised eyebrows and comment. But Robinson then immediately changed it to 'not fencing with you' but that's not what 'cavilling' means. Odd.

He has very carefully chosen language alright.

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:20

"I'm astonished and cross" 😁

MigsandTiggs · 11/06/2024 12:22

Place marking

Quirkyme · 11/06/2024 12:22

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:20

"I'm astonished and cross" 😁

I honestly find it so patronising and annoying when adults use the word cross.

It might be from my previous experiences working in schools, but it's something usually said in relation to children, or younger adults depending on the person.

Most adults not working with children, when talking generally say "angry".

Peregrina · 11/06/2024 12:24

Gosh someone admitting there was something for which he could be criticised! Is this a first?

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:30

Quirkyme · 11/06/2024 12:22

I honestly find it so patronising and annoying when adults use the word cross.

It might be from my previous experiences working in schools, but it's something usually said in relation to children, or younger adults depending on the person.

Most adults not working with children, when talking generally say "angry".

Or 'pissed off'!

nauticant · 11/06/2024 12:39

Jason Beer asking Robinson to accept that he msled the High Court in the civil litigation about Gareth Jenkins. Robinson has become hyper focused in his denial. No chair swaying, no lolling about.

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Lunde · 11/06/2024 12:43

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 11:49

I know it's incredibly childish, but I keep laughing every time I hear 'Womble' 😂

😂

Especially when JB referred to the firm as "the Wombles" earlier.

nauticant · 11/06/2024 12:45

This exchange now was the whole point of the entire morning's questioning. This is a horrible position for Robinson and he knows it.

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Quirkyme · 11/06/2024 12:46

Beer's trying to hold back his laugh

lol this guy

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:47

nauticant · 11/06/2024 12:45

This exchange now was the whole point of the entire morning's questioning. This is a horrible position for Robinson and he knows it.

He's a bit bolshy now though

toddlepod · 11/06/2024 12:48

Jason beer just allowed himself a ‘ don’t piss up my leg and tell me it’s raining’ expression

Quirkyme · 11/06/2024 12:49

Oooooo Beer's getting sassy, hehe.

"You're entitled to say"
Beer: "thank you"

Him: "you're welcome. You're entitled to say..."
Beer: "thank you again"

🤣🤣

PerkingFaintly · 11/06/2024 12:50

Yep yep!
Beer: "Who's queen?"

[ETA: I paraphrase on this occasion.Grin]

nauticant · 11/06/2024 12:52

This Herbert Smith attendance note is fantastic. It suggests that the past 15 minutes of evidence Robinson gave to the Inquiry is not reliable.

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DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:54

More awkward.

nauticant · 11/06/2024 12:57

Jason Beer ends cross-examination abruptly on the very damaging point that Robinson's own words, said to Herbert Smith, are at odds with what he's been arguing today to get himself off the hook.

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DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:59

Getting a bit flustered now!

Quirkyme · 11/06/2024 13:00

DanielGault · 11/06/2024 12:59

Getting a bit flustered now!

He's been throwing his toys out the pram for a while, might as well do a Piers Morgan and walk out tbh

Quirkyme · 11/06/2024 13:00

"Please let me answer the question"

The next guy's gonna rip him apart 🤣🤣🤣