This covid merry-go-round is never going to end, is it

[sixtyandsomething]

covid again, oxygen monitors again, off work again, informing all vulnerable contacts again, feeling terrible again. I have had 8 immunisations. Well, at least it isn't anything like as bad as it could be without immunisations. But this is never going to end, is it. Every year, at least 2 immunisations, and at least 2 illnesses, until the one that finishes me off , I suppose. That is without counting the disruption when someone else tests positive, instead of me.

Whilst I will say I'm a little skeptical about the vaccines safety and efficacy, I don't get the theories that Gates and Klaus Schwab are some sort of bond villains trying to take over the world.

In science the truth tends to be rather mundane, as to the vaccine, if there are long term issues as yet unforeseen, they are far more likely to be less dramatic than conspiracy theorists think, for example maybe more early onset arthritis, something like that, not an apocalypse, or indeed quite possibly nothing at all.

My apologies CwmYoy, I only meant literally what I said - that I personally don't know any vaccinated people who've died of Covid; I didn't mean to assert that no vaccinated people have. Really sorry about your relatives.

It’s easy to access tests eg: https://www.boots.com/flowflex-antigen-rapid-test-lateral-flow-self-testing-kit-2-kit-bundle-10314027

It’s still a horrible and unpredictable virus, with increased risks around heart attack etc, even with no underlying health issue - someone I know just died from it, another who WFH and never takes time off for flu was off sick and in bed for a week.

Re the vaccine OP apparently they are working on one that will last and prevent infections, but I heard an expert say because of the various past issues including wrong political messages, many people understandably won’t want it.

Agree people have become really thoughtless in general about mixing with people when they have D&V, fevers etc.

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To be fair it was never about microchip but you are the experimental. Normal vaccines take 7-10 years, minimum. We are only 3.5 years since the vaccine came out, so quickly, i mean amazing how they developed one 9 months later with hancock laughing his arse on, oh wait mumsnet still thinking he was crying. Bless you. Never about the microchip. We haven't reached the stage of 5-7 years stagw when real scientists are trying to say that's when long term affects take place. And so far it doesn't look as far as this vaccine go. Pretty appealing actually on a mass scale

I had a cold last week and tested (cos we still had some tests around) as I had to go in to work. I’m still mindful of testing when ill (last time I had it was Sept).

King Charles spotted with HEPA filters around him? I'd be very interested to see film or photographic evidence of this if you could post it. Thank you.

read up on medical trials, again just borrow the science resources your children are using for GCSE. The reason this was developed so fast was it wasn't done for profit. If you are investing a lot of money, then you do one trial, and wait for the results before the decision to invest money in the next stage trial, and then after that, you wait for the results, and then decide whether to invest money into the next stage trial

so trial stage 1 - plan, recruit, invest - 1-2 years

• run trial - 3 months? 6 months?

so trial stage 2 - analyse previous stage, plan, recruit, invest - 1-2 years

• run trial - 3 months? 6 months?

so trial stage 3 - analyse previous stage plan, recruit, invest - 1-2 years

• run trial - 3 months? 6 months?

with covid, all 3 stages were run concurrently, there was no committee stages to go through to make decisions about finances, and there was also no shortage of volunteers for trials

So the whole thing was condensed into a few months. All the normal stages were covered, but none of the long drawn out corporate and share holder financial decision making

This is was as safe as any new medication, it is lack of money that slows things down normally, and there was no lack of money slowing down the development of covid vaccines. You might argue that far more volunteers were put at risk by testing on so many people concurrently, rather than starting with one small group at a time, but there was no greater risk to the end users than with any other new medication

mRNA is not a new concept in vaccines, they have been in development for decades, several had already been tried in humans, and they were already standard in animals. The main problem with mRNA vaccines had been finding a way of finding a way to preserve it long enough in the body for it to do its job before being broken down.

The vaccine production machinery already existed, and exist, and churns out new vaccines regularly.

as to never having been about microchips - well, yes it was! to many people, this was their belief at the time...

By shortening the administrative gaps between the trials, which are standard in the industry, you remove reporting time to look at side effects that may not be immediately apparent - often in the Pharma industry projects get canned or altered because issues are flagged up.

The long drawn out process is not scientific time, but does give the opportunity for unforeseen complications to flag - in the case of the Covid vaccine, myocarditis, for example was not detected initially, had there been the usual gaps in the procedure it would have been detected, meaning it could have been included in the patient information BEFORE the first round of vaccinations.

What happened was that the product was deployed and the artefact was discovered later, meaning patients didn't have full informed consent and physicians didn't know the risk profile.

mRNA is not a new concept, it was first developed as a concept in the 1970s, but the first time it was employed commercially and used in humans was the Pfizer covid vaccine.

One of the scientists who developed mRNA, Robert Malone, cautioned against using the vaccine so widely, across all age groups regardless of risk profile - he was pilloried, but quite right, had there been some monumental issue with it you would end up condemning everyone.

A huge mis step was taken in trying to force people to take the vaccine on the predication that it would stop the spread, transmission was never part of the brief given to the Pharma companies and no serious trials were run. It would have needed to have an almost sterilising effect to significantly impact transmission of this class of virus.

Looking closely at the data, it is still up for grabs whether the vaccine actually has any real preventative effect. At the same time as the vaccine was deployed, SARS CoV2 did what all zoonotic virus' that cross into the human population do, it mutated its form for best effect in humans, becoming not a zoonotic but a human virus, and these typically are better dealt with by our immune system. Its high transmission rate meant much of the population already had conferred natural immunity, and so the death rate started to subside - this is how every previous pandemic ended, in a similar time frame, so it's impossible to accurately gauge the vaccine impact.

mRNA potentially is a very good technology, but in this case, it was used rashly, the public poorly informed and politicians bamboozled into bad decision making, which has wrecked the economy and seriously damaged the health service and many peoples trust in medicine.

Many have gone down conspiracy rabbit holes, or entrenched positions for and against, all of which is dangerous to public

I completely and utterly respect those who don’t feel comfortable with the vaccine. I made a decision based on my medical history and I sought medical advice. I decided, given my lung disease, lung tissue scarring, reduced lung condition and immunodeficiency, on balance, I was prepared to take the risk with the vaccine. I am hopefully taking part in a clinical trial too soon. It’s a risk but I think it’s worth it.

The "emergency powers" meant they were allowed to bypass all the safety protocols of traditional clinical trials. Dr Boz talks about this in her recent live broadcast https://www.youtube.com/live/v3N-uFfvU5s?si=mkVWjzJ4ZhwKYF1u

Watch out, there’s some critical thinkers on here who will call you mentally ill for posting that

I'm not here to mock, slander or intimidate anyone. Just show them the door. It's their choice to walk through it.

I can't see from your quote what this individual has posted, and I am not going to look at their posts, just warning you that they have demonstrated an understanding of science below most secondary school pupils, and zero ability to evaluate any source, even quoting sources who have stated themselves that they don't know anything! for example, "Dr" Cambell at one point, who is not a doctor, not a scientist, not a statistician, has a PhD in media presentation of nurse education and if challenged will HIMSELF state, well I am not a doctor, not a scientist, and not a statistician, and these are not my areas of expertise....

What this person is posting is not going to have any basis in truth, facts or science, so I would suggest you do as I am doing, and check each post on the thread for their name, and if it has their name on the top, slide your eyes over it without reading a word.

I did engage at first, but they decided on the basis of never having met me that my symptoms are caused by the covid vaccine (no, they are caused by cancer) that my cancer is caused by the covid vaccine (no, it is inherited) that the side effects of chemo are caused by the covid vaccine (no, they are caused by the side effects of chemo) and so on. They would probably argue that the rainy weather today is caused by the covid vaccine

They have nothing at all to contribute,

I never quoted any Doctor Campbell at any time so I don't know what your basing this post on

At the risk of stirring all this up again, sorry, I'm really puzzled as to why 61% of the 508 voters on this thread believed that the OP was being unreasonable. What could be unreasonable about saying 'I feel terrible and there's no end in sight for me'? Those who believe Covid is (or should be) 'over' might disagree in general about the 'no end' bit, but surely not in the specific case of a given individual such as the OP who is ill, or indeed anyone who is ill and vulnerable? How exactly is she being unreasonable?

I can't vote on my phone, but OP is most definitely not being unreasonable.

The silent majority

Right, right. The people voting YABU can't possibly be made up largely of a combination of those who

• are trying to reassure OP that it won't be like this forever
• disagree with OP because for most people, things are back to normal, and they think of COVID as something that's a concern for the vulnerable, like flu, but not a merry-go-round any more
• haven't read the OP but are just going by the title, and don't realise OP has good reason to feel stuck on a ride she can't get off
• think she is being unreasonable for some other sane reason.

No, it must be because there's a silent majority of reality deniers, scaremongers, and people who get a delicious thrill out of believing they've discovered something the rest of us are oblivious to. A silent majority of conspiracy theorists — yup, that's the only possible reason YABU could be in the lead, right? That most people believe COVID never killed anyone, viruses are a hoax, and people are dropping dead from the vaccines by their millions and it was deliberate. Mmmhmm.

How are you doing now OP @sixtyandsomething

Hi, thank you for asking. I am on the mend, I think. Still signed off work for another week, which might be extended, so getting very frustrated. But realistically not able to work, still vomiting, still unable to walk for getting muscles cramps. But in between that- bored!!!

I suppose what I would ask is why the OP expected anything different. Or, why anything would change if she keeps doing the same things, like testing.

COVID is now an endemic respiratory infection, just like flue, RSV, and others. It will be around in the population an people will get it regularly.

If the OP wants to keep treating covid differently, testing, and advising contacts and such, that's her choice, but there is no time when COVID is going to go away.

Sounds rough OP, but glad things seem to be improving. Hope this week gets easier for you.