This covid merry-go-round is never going to end, is it

[sixtyandsomething]

covid again, oxygen monitors again, off work again, informing all vulnerable contacts again, feeling terrible again. I have had 8 immunisations. Well, at least it isn't anything like as bad as it could be without immunisations. But this is never going to end, is it. Every year, at least 2 immunisations, and at least 2 illnesses, until the one that finishes me off , I suppose. That is without counting the disruption when someone else tests positive, instead of me.

mRNA= messenger Ribonucleic acid

think at this stage i shall stop watching this thread because laughing at others who are clearly not in an OK place mentally is wrong

OP hope you feeling better today

To the vaccine deniers and conspiracy theorists, I hope you and your children remain physically healthy

It is not a vaccine it is a medical interference.

I have had all my vaccines I just don't take medical drugs that don't have long term trials. Millions of vaxd have and are dying. Detox the mRNA.

You’re entitled to decline any medical interference you like but I bet if you had a serious condition affecting your immune system, you’d feel differently.

The technology behind the current covid vaccine (ie mRNA) is a huge development and holds great promise for the future. However, it is important for people to realise that the covid vaccine itself is not without risks, it can result in heart complications and in rate instances fatality - this is not conspiracy, its in the manufacturers and the NHS literature.

This went initially un-noticed because the process was rushed by removing blocks of admin time in between trials, time when issues are usually discovered and can either be rectified or an experimental series discontinued.

Additionally there is no long term safety data, we will have that 20 years from now, and that may prove no long term issues or indeed some to many, we simply don't know.

It was incredibly dangerous to subject almost the entire population to an experimental drug on emergency authorisation, a most cavalier attitude that still may have consequences.

The efficacy of the vaccine is no where near as much as was initially reported, such that for many it can easily be argued that the risk outweighs or equals any potential gain.

There have been decades of research into formulating effective vaccines against coronavirus' and most have either failed or been hit by the issue of the virus rapidly escaping the conferred immunity.

As a scientist myself I am exited by the potential of mRNA, and believe that if you think the covid vaccine is right for you, after being in possession of all the facts (informed consent), for me its a no, but that's my choice, others must make their own.

Has this thread attracted a certain type of person because of the title, or is this an accurate representation of our understanding of science as a society?
The latter would be worrying.

Unfortunately science and medicine did itself a dis-service during covid - and as a scientist, I fid that very distressing.

This dis-service was to, in some cases blatantly lie to the public, and cut corners, slowly, as various falsehoods have been exposed, albeit often only small bending of truth, to many it has undermined trust in science and medicine, to such an extent that if there was a far more serious pandemic, it may be hard to get people on side.

You’re not grasping the argument. I’m talking about ALL CAUSE MORTALITY. The car crash was an example. And yes, incorrect drugs were used in the place of proven treatments. That is now a fact (Ivermectin anyone?)

What about putting Covid infected elderly INTO the care homes? Or am I making that up too? It’s time to wake up I’m afraid.

Covid is not serious, the damage done to your body via the mRNA is off the scale. Dr Peter McCullough, top respiratory American Dr. vax damaged, is treating people with a detox programme to remove the mRNA which is continually replicating in your body. 3 OTC very cheap treatments. No way would I take a DNA changing drug without full 10 year trials behind it. He is also recommending D-Dimer checks due to deaths from clots via the shots: A D-dimer test is a blood test that measures the levels of a protein fragment called D-dimer. This fragment is released when blood clots break down in your body. Healthcare providers use D-dimer tests to help diagnose blood clotting conditions such as deep vein thrombosis (DVT), pulmonary embolism (PE), disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), and stroke123. When you have an injury, your body initiates a process called hemostasis to form a clot and prevent excessive bleeding. D-dimer levels rise significantly when there’s significant formation and breakdown of blood clots, indicating a potential clotting disorder. However, a high D-dimer level alone doesn’t confirm the presence of a clot; further tests and imaging are needed for a diagnosis4. If you suspect any clot-related symptoms, consult a healthcare professional promptly. 🩸

Another statistical trick was giving the number of dead per day / week. Most people hardly ever think about death, almost like it’s not constantly happening. In reality, 11,000 approx people are dying each week.

Imagine this being rammed down your throat every night on the news, it would certainly affect general mental health and generate fear, and that was the point.

what are you talking about? Of course side effects and deaths from the vaccine are included in the data. Sadly there is a tiny risk, but it is a risk that is well worth it from my point of view.

You are many times more likely to die of covid, or be left disabled by covid, if you are unvaccinated.

I don't know where you are getting your statistics from, but any reliable data, including WHO data, and ONS, and OWID and other transparent peer reviewed, open, reliable sources about any vaccine ever will include information about side effects and deaths.

You are many times more likely to die of covid if you are unvaccinated. That is a simple fact, easily available to anybody who can count.

There are some clues in your post that you are statistically illiterate - sorry I hope that isn't too blunt.

For example, you say

what about all the people that have dropped dead from taking the vaccine that’s not in their data is it,

yes, as I have just explained, of course it is, it couldn't not be. No complete, peer reviewed, reliable data source would not include this - what is more worrying to me, is what data source you are relying on, as it is clearly either put together in total ignorance, or outright deceptive, if it is telling you that national/international/WHO/ONS/OWID etc sources are leaving out these deaths.

Why don't you check for yourself? You could see how unreliable your source of information is very quickly and easily - you can see that your source is lying about this.

You say That’s my opinion as if you genuinely think this a subjective matter that you can form an opinion on and that your opinion carries any weight. These are scientific facts, "opinion" is a totally invalid concept here. That is like going into a malaria area and saying "no, I won't use a mosquito net, because in my opinion mosquitoes don't carry malaria, and me and my kids are not using a net and don't have malaria so that makes sense"

You say me and my kids are unvaccinated from Covid and never been sick so make it make sense without any understanding that you are being protected by the fact that so many people around you have been vaccinated. Less covid is circulating, and what is around is milder, because of the vaccine you and your healthy children are safe ( for the moment) but obviously, being unvaccinated does leave them and you more vulnerable if you do catch it, and it is still around, and you might not always be as healthy and have such strong immune systems as you do now. As I said upthread, I used to have a cast iron immune system before cancer!

You and your children will all get covid at some time in your life, probably more than once ( unless the first time sadly finishes you off) and I really hope that by the time that happens, you have come to your senses and been vaccinated.

and let me repeat again, before someone starts claiming again that I have cancer because I was vaccinated - no, my cancer in inherited, and yes, it is extremely aggressive, but thanks to modern treatments, I have survived, and the previous generation didn't, when they got this, so yes, I have so far been up and about and publicly visible with a "turbo" cancer for around 5 times longer than my mother was - that means you are 5 times more likely to have met me, that does not mean there are 5 times more "turbo" cancers around now!

and hopefully, unless covid finishes me off in the meantime, I will eventually be seen up and about and living me life with a "turbo" cancer 20 or 30 times longer than my mother was! and no, that won't mean aggressive cancers are 20 or 30 times more common, just that people with aggressive cancers are 20 or 30 times more common because they are living 20 or 30 times longer.

No, with repeated infections your body will already have immune cells ready to speedily attack the virus the next time it is encountered, so would (metaphorically) stamp on it very vigorously and hopefully eradicate it before it can multiply significantly and cause symptoms. If the immune system "ignored" pathogens it had encountered before it would be failing to do its job and we would get very sick.

Yes, I suspect it's been reposted somewhere. Too many rabbits trying to show their holes.

I do love the phrase "turbo cancer" I feel like it is a bit of an upgrade from being told my cancer is highly aggressive! I am going to refer to it as my turbo cancer from now on 😂

no, it isn't. And I don't really think people who use the phrase "big pharma" actually know what they mean. How much water do you drink, for example? People swallow all the advertising put out by the bottled water companies about how much water they should be buying and drinking, without half a thought about who is giving them that information and why, and yet accuse an industry regulated 100 x more of being coercive????

You have completely misread and misunderstood my post.

do you know what mRNA is? Your entire body is full of it. You would live less than 3 minutes without it

Thank you, and I think you are right about people who are not in an ok place mentally

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How are you feeling today OP

That’s just in the first results that came back…

what are you talking about? maybe look up what mRNA is? Do you have children at school? maybe ask to borrow their science resources and have a look. The idea of detoxing from mRNA is just nonsensical. It makes as much sense as saying right, I am going to rid my body of all oxygen. (and your life expectancy without mRNA would be about the same as your life expectancy without oxygen)

No, I think it is a very tiny proportion of the population that hold these conspiracy theories, and there is no cohesion amongst them themselves either.

They are just attracted by the title, like wasps to a pot of jam!

I would guess well under 1% of the population, and that tiny fraction is subdivided into many other tiny fractions, so its basically 99% of the population understand the basic science, an then you have 0.1% conspiracy theory a - 0.1% conspiracy theory b. 0.1% conspiracy theory c

and so on

Laughing at “conspiracy theorists” has impacted a lot of people unfortunately

With regards masks, I was at one hospital today and a different one yesterday.
Yesterday staff and patients in the department wearing masks.
Today, over crowded, people coughing and sneezing in a large waiting room. Myself and the one other wearing a mask. The staff from the Philippines wearing masks.