AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

No. Epigenetics are real. Dogs that are bred for specific tasks have a deep drive to carry out those tasks. Just like how border collies who have never lived on a sheep farm have a strong drive to herd their families or other pets and springer spaniels who have never gone pheasant hunting have a strong drive to flush birds. Dogs who were bred to fight bulls to the death, have a strong attack and don't stop drive. It's not just their enormous strength, they have an instinct to attack and not stop until they or their target is dead.

Bull breeds were not ALL bred to kill bulls. There are very many bull-breed dogs, some of which were bred for companionship. In addition to this, a breed that is bred to attack other animals generally must be obedient and trustworthy towards it's owner in order to take direction and not turn and kill it's owner! The degree of dilution in the genetics of a dog that is NOT purebred but actually a crossbreed is going to have a massive dilution of original characteristics..and the original characteristic was never dog-to-human aggression anyway. It really isn't comparable to certain breeds with a non-mixed lineage.

Why are you defending these mutant creatures?

My thoughts exactly 🙄🤬
"I am a veterinary professional of over 20 years.....[blah blah blah -I'm a pit bull apologist- blah blah blah] appeared in the media hence none of them have been demonized and banned"

I'm so sorry...I bow to your expertise, education and experience...that extends to BBC news.

Can I asked what a vet professional is? A nurse? A vet? A receptionist?

I don't really understand you point. XL bullies have risen in popularity. But they disproportionately account for deaths of people.

No one has said other breeds don't attack people or even occasionally kill people. A Rottweiler killed a baby in the next street to me. A good while ago. It was all over the news. Had it have been followed by a consistent stream of death caused by Rottweilers, it would also be in the news .

If doodles kill 6 people in the next 5-6 weeks you can bet it would be on the news.

Veterinary professional is clearly a euphemism for 'airhead who is besotted with dogs'

"veterinary professional" is clearly not a vet. because you'd just say "I'm a vet". But "veterinary professional" sounds more important than "I'm a vet nurse".

So as a veterinary professional you are saying that different breeds do not have different behaviour characteristics? Even though most breeds were established for their useful behaviours rather than their looks? A gundog that has been bred to have bite inhibition is going to be less likely to bite than a breed that was bred to fight. A breed that was created to be a lapdog is going to behave differently to one created to guard and protect. Yes, good training and management of any dog makes a difference but not all dogs are coming from the same starting point.

XL bullies may have become more popular than they were but they do not outnumber labradors, Poodle crosses, jack russels, German shepherd's etc. And yet the number of fatal attacks vastly outweighs all of those put together.

There needs to be a better way of managing dangerous dogs other than banning the breed. That's not because there isn't an inherent problem with the breed, it's because the idiots who like to deliberately breed dangerous dogs will just develop a new one like they did with the XL bully.

Rescues are known for downplaying the danger of these dogs not just in the UK but the USA as well.
The idea of the bull breeds needing to be friendly towards humans, well yes that was necessary so that although they would attack other animals as in dog fighting, they would not attack the human that tried to separate at the end of a dog fight.Whilst dogs that would have been human aggressive would have been culled in very earlier years, with the anything goes breeding of now there is no limit to what is mixed in with this type.
The population of XL’s although rising dramatically still does not make up a large number of all dogs, so the figures for attacks are still disproportionately large for XL’s.
You are citing the very irresponsible owners of these dogs which no doubt they are, still does not take away from the fact it is the dog at the end of the day which is attacking, otherwise where are all these rampant attacks from other breeds with irresponsible owners.
I love your Chihuahua’s bite more stance which is exactly the nonsense that the breed apologists repeat over and over.An ankle scratch from a chihuahua is laughable to a throat ripped out by an XL.
Unfortunately again you are using the same breed apologist stance that it’s the media’s doing. This isn’t so.Dog victims be it human or other pets are all over social media.
You don’t need to be convinced of anything by the papers when you and you family neighbours and friends are aware of a child adult or pet being mauled by this type of dog.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992905/Rescue-dog-owner-lost-arm-pet-bit-suing-RSPCA-200-000.html

An example of a rescue not giving the new owner information about the dog having bitten twice before

Poor woman. And that dog is a hideous looking thing, it looks more like a gargoyle.

@Sulley2222 what a load of shite

There;s one on a Rescue site that is a young adult bully dog , not house trained , not good on a lead , mouthy and mild hip displaysia so needs ongoing health care /pain relief .

WTAF would you invite this dog into your home ?
If the fit isn't right and he is returned it would be devastating for him and his confidence .
If you kept him you are putting your family at risk . (Says he's ok for children 10+)

There;s one on a Rescue site that is a young adult bully dog , not house trained , not good on a lead , mouthy andmild hip displaysia so needs ongoing health care /pain relief .

Doesn't need rehoming, needs putting to sleep.

Therein lies the never put a healthy dog down that some Rescues will cling to .
No Kill is fine if these animals are not in pain and will be kept as a Long Term Resident of Rescue . Though I'd argue what kind of life is that ?
Especially for dogs it is very artificial and not good for their mental health.

Someone will come along and think "I can do this . I can offer this dog the home it needs"
If they can provide it , and the training , and the healthcare and importantly the savvy to know when enough is enough and recognise its pain cannot be controlled and euthanise it .
But what's the chances of this happening ?

How on earth did that dog get put forward for rehoming if it had two previous biting incidents to its name . 2 different people bitten.

I guess the rescue centres are somewhat trapped. If they euthanise the animal then the misty eyed dog lovers will get angry and stop donating.
They wont want to keep the animal because it's a menace & a liability, so they palm it off onto the first person who is dumb enough to take it on.

Something is being done. The dogs are sorting it out. They're not being looked after properly and they're killing their owners. One way or another, whether the dog kills a child or adult, the problem will sort itself out. Tragic, yes. Ruthless, yes. But the problem sorts itself out.

Yes, the dog attacks and as a result is shot at the scene or euthanised later. But wouldnt you prefer it if the dogs could all be euthanised without humans having to be killed or maimed first?

but even experienced dog handlers are getting killed by dangerous dogs. This kennel owner got asked to rehabilitate a dog by ‘save our seized dogs’ group & was attacked & killed. This group tries to save dogs which are classed as dangerous. Left his 5 children orphaned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-59781502.amp

@JammyJellyfish
I'd not heard of the Adam Watts case. What is WRONG with people, why are they so besotted with dogs and unable to see the danger?

Obvioypusly not an actual vet as they have to get better alevels than a dr.
So maths would likely feature in that with logically trying to claim it is the increased numbers of them. No matter how many there are there shouldnt be this number of attack or deaths. Most dogs are not xl bullies and when did you last see a random dog attack and it wasnt a xl bully.??
The issue is the fatal attacks which have gone up hugely. Attacking their owners too. Adult men unable to fight them off.
When the dog walker died from her own xl bully with other dogs the dachshund didnt get put down as it still didnt attack even with the other ones attacking.
Afaik xl bullies are a pit bull mix. As that is not allowed here they shouldnt havebeen either.

The video the other day of the neighbour attacked but mostly ok, i note the owner presumably hasnt had the dog put down...

Frankly we could do with some huge civil suits againsr the owners. I understand that the dogs are supposed to be insured. But how many of the recent attacks have they been insured. Clearly the one attacking the neighbour was
A - not on a lead
B - not muzzled

I feel like it is an xl bully i see at a car boot locally. It is unmuzzled, unnecessarily close to many people and children.

Are the smaller ones from a different genetic line?

Relatives have a large dog probably a staffie. It is huge. Really generally large dogs shouldnt be brought to visit other children.

My friend didnt agree with me saying dc wont be goinv into house with bully dog. Howver he had no odea and was shocked when i showed him what xl bullies look like