It's a private school one.....

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Many threads on MN ... I want to know this: why haven't Labour given any info on their modelling of what will likely happen and the different scenarios that could play out when they impose VAT? It matters - because if they get thus wrong ... and a shed load of kids leave private because their families have scrimped to send them there ... the state sector in some councils will quickly be overwhelmed with kids needing state places that does not exist....which could be a lose lose for everyone! You don't build a new school and resource it in a month.... these things take years . I feel for all kids as they will all lose out if this happens and labour having got contingency in place.
How would you feel if your child is in a good state school , perhaps they get some SEND support...and suddenly there is an influx of private kids as they need the spaces. Class sizes go up to 40, all SEND provision gets cut as not enough funds, extra curricular gets cut and teachers are even more stressed, so the vicious circle if teacher shortages now intensifies....the spiral continues for years to come. Who has won?? No one ....
What are your thoughts on this ?
I don't disagree with the principle that private is a luxury and probably should pay VAT... what I disagree with is the notion you can just implement something that will fundamentally shift things on a seismic way in one big bang. No thought whatsoever. Tell me if you agree or have a different view and why ?

Ha! I remember saying that at the time too!

I wouldn’t label those three I mentioned as only ok but you do you.

RIchmond Park Academy is rated OFSTED good.

It has 63% of students that completed the EBACC, which is higher than the local authority average and significantly higher than the national.

Its progress 8 score is above average.

Its hardly "not great".

"it depends on your standards"

THis is it, this is actually a good school which has below the national average of free school meals and children actually perform above where their Key stage 2 grades would get them.

My point about Private school parents stands.

And that will be fantastic for the economy obviously, when people give up being tax payers to enable it. Many people only work, or work second jobs purely to finance fees.

Most threads I've seen have been private school teachers moving to state schools due to pension scheme and work load.

This is my main concern re choosing private. Will private schools attract the best staff if they opt out of the TPS @Foxesandsquirrels

It’s not a no. I can link to it but I cba. I’m surprised you don’t know this stuff.

Why would I know the statistics you are quoting but can’t link too?

We're talking about education and whether it's a luxury. Neither private school nor university are compulsory - not everyone and goes. But does that make them a luxury? Do we add 20% on kids branded clothing? If not, why not? That's the debate.

Just wow

I will do me. They’re only ok by my standards.

Too or to? Sounds as if you’re a Londoner, if so I’d have thought you would know.

I suspect the populace of Richmond will cope somehow. If they can't manage, heaven help the rest us poor sods.

Not comparable since there is no private alternative.
As for branded clothing, that'll be due to administrative cost. It isn't going to be a moral concern either way for 99%, just as private education is not a concern for 99%.

Better never vote for the Tories then or they will make the VAT rate even higher. If it is anything like fees, if Labour introduce a fee, the Tories will subsequently increase it massively.

This kind of comment makes me cringe so much. The reason there are so many private school fees threads is because having to pay more fees is now becoming a reality for private school parents. That’s it.

I don’t have kids at private school but my friends who do, are now talking about it in a way they didn’t a year ago. They don’t belong to Tory HQ.

Indeed. There was a thread on here very recently where a woman head sent her DD to an independent school after a year or two at state and she was immediately targeted fir bullying at the private school.

How?

Sorry, yes, I meant state funded faith schools actually. No objection to people paying for them.

I've decided to highlight a few examples of "sneering" at state schools/pupils/ parents. Sorry @Mirabai, you're first "Richmond College used to be very good and now less so. It depends on your standards."

They won't and they don't.

I didn't say they were exactly the same. My point is we tax some things and not others. Or we tax some things at a lower rate (like buying property). That's the discussion. The question was 'what's that got to do with anything'? The different rates of VAT on different types of expenses has everything to do with it.

This is my issue with it. It's a kneejerk policy to win votes. The money it raises and the vague promises Labour are making don't seem to join up; it's almost as bad as Boris's bus.

It's a massive bugbear of mine that we have to to go out of our way to avoid faith schools in Ireland. It really should be the other way around.

Whether schools are good is very dependent on the parents of the students who go there. If the parents are academic themselves and interested in education then the performance of the school will reflect that.

Will Labour reduce the university fees then? The VAT on school fees policy seems to be their only education policy. What happened to the university fees issue that dominated previous elections? It's like everyone has just given up and decided to have a pop at private schools instead.

Given they don’t even require a Thai g qualification to teach, they aren’t the best…
Butbthey do often have the right pedigree- accent, dress, connections, went to the school themselves etc