to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

[sarjd]

let's see how that works.

I don’t care how I sound anymore. I am sick of people being so gleeful about all of this when it is children who are going to be so disrupted. I have honestly had enough of society now and will be solely looking after my own from now on!

Finland has a system where schools aren't allowed to charge fees, I believe.
But when people say 'look at the amazing results' they get it's because their population is extremely homogenous - so less issues around having to meet needs of new incomers etc with language issues etc.

Private schools very much exist in the rest of the Nordics though.

Ah, indignity and tantrums it is then. I hope it makes you feel better (it won't).

You're the one willing to disadvantage these kids twice though 🤷🏼‍♀️

I met just as many cnuts in my state school actually. Not a problem limited to just one type of educational establishment, much as you'd like to frame it that way.

I do agree with this. It is those kids whose parents can't take a 20% VAT on top that will be suffering, having to potentially move schools at key times e.g. during GCSEs/A-levels.

I do think any policy like this should be phased in appropriately.

But OP are you not aware of the numbers of children living in poverty. Of families living in hotels. Children moving every six months in private rentals due to the existence of section 21s. ? Do you not see that taxes have to be more progressive to allow for a rebalancing. Yes it’s not nice to have to move your kids school but the instability is nothing reallly, compared to what so many families ar facing. I’ve worked for a charity for over a decade and I have never ever seen people so desperate as they are. food banks exist everywhere - how is that right?

Privilege at its finest. You don't even know how it all works @sarjd you would only be causing chaos for yourself....

You are being very silly and childish.

I'm more intrigued to know which county has zero school places

me too

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-catalogue/school-capacity/2022-23

These statistics give the breakdown per LA including the number and % of schools at or over capacity. Manchester, Bolton, Liverpool are all in the high 40s, far above the national average of 18%, but even there, over 50% of schools have capacity.

I'm not the OP but thought I'd respond anyway.

Of course there is poverty, it's a travesty. But don't you see how it would be fairer to introduce VAT on education (which most countries don't - think Greece did and it was a disaster) so that it is gradually phased in. This way those who signed up thinking there is no VAT aren't penalised whereby those who do sign up have their eyes fully open to what charges are involved?

If the Labour Party really wanted to help those in poverty and raise a decent sum of money, they’d be suggesting raising taxes for much more of the population than the 6% at private school. VAT on school fees will raise around 1% of the state education budget. Raising the general level of VAT for everyone, by just 1%, would raise billions more. This has got nothing to do with raising money or helping those in poverty.

Yes I agree it should be phased in. It has to be workable.

Ah, so you CAN pay, you are just snotty about having to pay more and determined to make things worse for the parents who can’t, for…reasons.

Applying for a school place you don’t need as your kid already has one means there’s no obligation to find you a school place.

How will it cause chaos? You won’t be allocated a place to not take up.

Do it!

Let’s see how that works out

Ok, it looks like you are just on a wind up for the sake of it. Either way, much like you would with a toddler throwing a tantrum or a nutter taking the piss it's probably best we back away and ignore this one now...

I should also say that if all these parents leave the private sector there will be some teachers looking for work in the state sector - great!

While your child/ren are on the waiting list maybe you could hire one of the teachers made redundant as a tutor.

Most people are indifferent to this policy and some felt (note past tense) sorry for anyone being hit with a new tax.

But gleefully planning to disrupt an already creaking system that is trying to educate all children including those from very deprived backgrounds is maniacally insane. But you do you I guess.

In fact does one of the Scandi nations not ban private schools as this means parents are then motivated to demand better for their children?

People often say that Finland has banned private education. It isn’t true. What Finland say is that a private school is not allowed to make a profit from the basic element of education, and so the state funds that part. The Finnish government actually subsidises private schools.

Many of them do anyway. As a backup plan. Sometimes causing a lot of stress for parents who really want a state placement at the school of their choice so they go on waiting list only .to get a place when the children eventually do go to private school.
It wouldn't cause an issue and actually many state schools would welcome more children from wealthy households joining them it's really not the terrible thing that the independent school sector seems to think it will be

We are just saying they are all homeschooled. No one keeps a record so no one will know. So they will be obliged to find them a place. 😒A few people have already done it to test it out - was easy…and were told there were no places at the moment.