to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

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let's see how that works.

The issue would be no extra teachers as no extra funding

Plus extra cost to the state to pay for the places

I mean I know it’s just an op suggesting something that won’t happen, but the policy isn’t very good anyway

Some of the above posts are misleading and confusing the VAT rise with charitable status.
The proposed change is to introduce VAT but not take away charitable status. If charitable status was removed in addition to the VAT charge, the schools would be liable to pay corporation tax.
So go ahead, remove bursaries and letting state schools use the facilities but be prepared for an even bigger increase in fees.

It would be really nice if people didn’t sneer at children on these threads, whatever position you have on this.

And…the OP hasn't returned.

Tory HQ? Clickbait for MN? So many threads about this.

Oh no clearly a wind up.

Hmm, are you trying to help anyone or make silly cheap point?

The fact is that plenty of people will be prepared to absorb the 20%, it will just mean one less holiday in a year or liquidating one of the trust funds.

For those that definitely can’t afford it yes I agree some thought should be being given to state schools, just like you might have to forgoe any other luxury item if you can’t afford it WITH VAT (which should always have been added).

‘So the OP is apparently asking all private school parents to remove them from a school they have paid for and are happy with to sit on their bums for a month then be allocated a place at St Trinians 2 bus rides away.’

yup! Hilarious. Go for it OP, plenty of places in schools at the moment. And as for trying to mess up the application systems in some way - they’re set up to handle 1000s of applications in a short period, to deal with waiting lists, appeals, and all the rest of it.

To prove what, exactly? Even if every private parent could be arsed to do this - and I suspect not as they’re already throwing a lot of money to not have to get involved in their kids day to day - no council is actually going to believe that those posh kids are headed for the state sector.
Shame really, because that might save a few of the state schools earmarked for closure due to lack of students .

Because education absolutely should be a race to the bottom ……

let's see how that works

How it works is you apply to the LA as an “in year” applicant. If there is a place at your chosen school, your child will be allocated a place. If there isn’t then there is an appeals process (but you would need real grounds for appeal, such as there is a place and the LA have made a mistake or your child is a wheelchair user and the school is accessible. You can’t appeal on the grounds of thinking a school is nicer, posher, has better results, a nicer uniform, is and easier commute etc) and you should be offered an alternative place within the LA. If you live on the border (or even if you don’t) you can apply to a different LA - if there is a place they will give you one but if there isn’t you may be a low priority in the waiting list due to distance. It can be quite difficult for find out which schools actually have places so it’s a bit of a ballache from that pov but the LA will provide a place in one of their schools. There are approximately double the number of places in the state system than their are pupils in the private sector, and while there will be problems with exact matches per area/year group, all dc who want one will be offered a place somewhere. That’s how the state system works - it’s for everyone. Private school parents aren’t doing the state system a favour by using alternative provision.
Some things to watch out for - when you are offered a place you need to accept it or reject it. You can’t hang into it for later.
Oversubscribed schools may have a waiting list - you don’t stay on it indefinitely so check how long they will keep your child’s name in the list.

The average household pays £6100 per year in VAT. Having to pay VAT is not a problem limited to people who want to purchase this specific, expensive, service. Private school parents are always wittering on about the “uk holidays” and “second hand cars” they are forced to reduce themselves to in their “sacrifice” for fees - these are VAT rateable too. A second hand fiesta and a week in Wales during august will cost as much in VAT as a years school fees. Why is one ok but not the other?

If it’s an in year admission, it’ll work by you being awarded a place at your nearest school with space.

If you’re applying for reception or Year 7, the place will be awarded dependent on criteria.

That’s all you need to know. State schools can’t accept extra pupils without applying to have their PAN reviewed.

Some private school parents will genuinely need to consider switching and should be aware that there is an appeals process. They don’t have to just accept what they’re given, despite what some posters are suggesting.

Don't worry, if you don't get a place, the appeals process is fully explained in the letter.

If they are paying fees, they won't be paying VAT. Not really sure what your point is.

Edit: if they are NOT paying fees

I've seen this suggested elsewhere as a means to signal to the councils (government) how there will be a huge influx of private school kids into the state sector in order to stop the policy.

I have kids in private and not loving the VAT increase for sure - just don't think education of any kind should be taxed - but would feel bad for overwhelming an already stretched state system.

What all of them?! Think hell would freeze over before some of the parents of dds private school friends would apply to a state school! Literally not on their radar would never happen. They are insanely rich though.

They'll survive.

They're still going to be more privileged than millions and millions of other children in the world.

Except the impact is on the kids not the parents.

Children move schools. It's not the end of the world.

My school has places. We don’t have any prit sticks or colour printing but you know….!

I'm so sick of these threads. Either suck up the increase and be thankful for the discount you have had for years or apply to state. School.

I honestly don't get all the angst.

It’s a strange analogy. Interestingly though, air fares are not subject to VAT. Air Passenger Duty is a lot less than the equivalent VAT - for example the APD on a first class flight to Sydney is just £202. That’s far less than 20% VAT would be. This policy will be treating a first class flight more favourably than education.

You said private parents were wealthy, I'm pointing out that some aren't wealthy enough to pay the fees. The MoD hasn't yet said whether it will cover the VAT, if it does then the state will basically be paying the VAT to pay back to the state. But yeh, a well thought out policy.

You can appeal your hoop off - and good luck with it. ‘ Charlotte used to be a private school gal and now has to slum it in state,
and we have set our heart on this state school as it seems less dreadful than some’
isn’t what the appeals process is usually sympathetic to…

It happens with a few subjects on here. I've a special interest in a health matter & whenever a negative story/dodgy research is under embargo there will be one or two threads here in the days prior to it lifting. Every, single, time.

You can appeal your hoop off - and good luck with it.
I don't really know what this means but you can appeal once a year per school.

Because taxing education is basically wrong. That's why it is illegal to do so in the EU.

The language of tax breaks is just populist rhetoric from Labour when private schools already have to pay VAT on purchases but can't claim it back. How is that a taxbreak?
Many private parents are already paying higher rate tax and now you want them to pay more? How is that a tax break?

Gambling isn't subject to VAT yet we are looking to tax education? It is the most regressive move in many, many years.

Do we really have to have a private school thread every bloody day?