to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

[sarjd]

let's see how that works.

I expect a lot of working parents only have the time and energy to volunteer due to all the efforts by successive labour governments to improve health care, and increase annual leave and other employment protections.

I pay for two children to go to private school. I work full time despite health battles. I was a single mum for some of the time I was climbing the career ladder. I will continue to volunteer and donate to causes I care about whichever government is in power, because I don't see why I should punish those causes.

But of course if you are burnt out you should stop.

I appreciate that - thank you. 🌸

Yeah and of.course all state school parents just sit on their backsides watching day time TV

Oh, wow, you're such a pillar of the community. We bow to your superior altruism.

Hang on, I did exactly the same things (plus Rainbows, Brownies and three conservation charities) when I was on benefits - except I did Adult Numeracy instead of reading. Where's my entitlement? Oh yeah - volunteering.

Clue's in the name.

The problem with this argument is parents of PE children looking for sympathy at a time when people are really struggling to make ends meet. PE is a separate world from the rest of us (which kinda seems the point) trying to get everyone else to care/get involved seems a bit pointless now.

People don’t hate you, but they aren’t going to be sympathetic when they can’t put food on the table. The idea of paying for education is so far removed from the reality of most peoples lives.
I’ve heard another PE parent on the radio going on about how hard they work, without sitting back and thinking there are millions of people working very hard in, often in not nice jobs, on shifts, for shit money which doesn’t even pay their basic bills. Being paid more doesn’t mean you work harder.

we all know it’s only a minority who will leave, there’s no way the majority of PE parents are ever going to send their kids to the comprehensive down the road with behavioural issues and Cover Supervisors taking lessons. Despite all the threads.
It is terrible for SEN children, it’s also terrible for SEN children in state schools. There should be allowances for children with complex needs, I don’t think anyone would deny this.

Personally it makes no difference to me, tax schools, don’t tax schools, it’s not going to make a voting difference to the majority as it has nothing to do with them. I think Kier is a twat, but the Tories are bigger twats, they have fucked people over long enough.
And I think that’s how most people will end up voting.

I’m off to bed now. I can’t be bothered to rise to this. At no point have I claimed to be superior.
Have a great evening being shitty to people you don’t agree with - hope it gives you joy 🌻🌸

Canterbury and Ashford

Not sure how Dovers been doing recently but it has been chronic.

Lots of big private schools in these areas too.

What an idiot

My DC goes to a state primary and I am 100% against taxing private schools.

Even if just a small percentage of private kids switch to state, the competition for good state places will get even worse, especially at the secondary level. Houses in catchment area will get more expensive and be snapped up by private school parents as they now have more disposable income after pulling their kids from private. Their kids should be on average smarter and better versed (thats the whole point of going private in the first place) and could take up all the spots offered through admission exam or talent stream. Even the kids arent smart, the parents have £2000 spare now to spend on tutoring and experiences.

Getting a spot in a good secondary will be more difficult. This stupid policy will not hurt private school parents in the long run. But it will hurt upward mobility of kids coming from a more humble background.

Agreed with the poster that said this has nothing to do with education. More a political stunt to get votes, with the toxic side effect of further dividing the society - evidenced by the comments here.

To the posters that said there are plenty of school places around. Of course there are, because nobody (including you and me) would want their kids in those environments. Good schools are always oversubscribed and it will only get worse.

Increasing the tax or tax rate is not always the answer to raising tax revenue. Our government needs to be thinking about ways to increase taxable income before targeting tax rate.

If Labour fails to see this, I will not trust them in running the country. Not that I will trust the other side either. But by picking a policy that affects children, they have shown their true color.

Nevertheless this appalling attitude stinks when you consider this is actually children we are talking about.
Or are they to blame for everyone’s problems aswell.

Why? That would be a stupid and futile act. Plenty if people can still afford public School even if they do add VAT.

I wonder what impact this will have on private schools who offer a significant proportion of supported or fully paid places. I know of one not far from me which has 20% intake which is means tested to provide places to some families who face real economic challenge. I do hope they can continue to offer the opportunities to those children.

Yes. In fact we have more than we can keep due to losing classes.

We are about to lose 2 full classes of y6 and only gain one full class of nursery and numbers have been low for a few years (but not that low!)
We have 1 full and one pt posts available in Sept when temp contracts end and 4 temp members of staff who all want a job. We can't keep them all.

Next year those that get another year temp contract won't then be kept on.
And as those numbers go through, we will be looking at a redundancy every year after that unless there is natural staff turnover due to other reasons.

Most other schools in our catchment also are not maintaining numbers due to fall in intake. So all those who are looking for jobs are up against each other for the few jobs that have been advertised (only 4 for the county have come up since the resignation date). And very little supply is being given to teachers where we can cover in other ways, so a lot of supply teachers cannot rely on that for a wage so are also being pushed into looking for a contract (or a non-teaching job).

Honestly I worked in a school in one of the poorest towns in the U.K. I am more worried about the children there who don’t eat in school holidays or have parents who could give less of a shit about them.

I don’t remember saying PE children were to blame for anything, how odd? I’m just saying this isn’t a vote swinger in anyway, it’s a minority issue.

And like I said the vast majority of children in PE will carry on with zero change to their nice education.

Just pay the VAT we have all had to absorb higher living costs.

If you do not want to make the sacrifices to pay on average an extra £58 a week, then sure send your children to whatever state school still has a place. You may end up being offered a place at a school that is struggling. But at least you have saved yourself an extra £58 a week.

And if you really can not afford an extra £58 a week, then a cleaning job for an hour every evening will easily cover the cost.

Why would the standard in state schools go up?

Well said.
👏👏👏

And if you really would pull your child out of private school so you can make a FAP request and cause extra pressure on the system to make a point, then you are a see you next Tuesday.

That’s interesting another thread supporting the tax policy put it at £350 extra a month
x 2 kids = £700
x 3 kids = £1050

@IAmNotASheep so you can not afford an extra £58 a week?

@ Aladdinzane - perhaps if you weren’t so entrenched in your viewpoint of “all private school pupils are wealthy and therefore bad ”, you might have considered the point I was making which is that for those that have stretched to afford private school for their kids - they will be the ones negatively impacted. I never said that those who were wealthy would not be able to afford it. Your comments just highlight how much prejudice you have.

I prefer to consider the negative impacts on all kids. !!

As we talking about taxing education we’re looking at the negative impacts it will have on those PS kids ( as others here seem to think it’s a win win for state kids).

Chef's fucking kiss