to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

[sarjd]

let's see how that works.

@Silverstarfish1 Strawman with your "therefore bad" I never implied or said this.

The evidence shows that virtually ALL private school students come from households that are in the top income decile and for most of those outside of it household wealth/grandparental help is the factor that influences their attendance, so yes almost all children at private schools come from rich backgrounds. I never said this was bad.

The people who have stretched to make private school for their kids will in the vast majority still pay for school. If they can't flex 58 quid a week from their budget then I'm sorry but they made bad financial decisions in sending their kid there. Its a shame, and the children may be negatively effected, but we shouldn't make policy based on the fact that a tiny minority of children may be negatively effected.

Oh and this is a total appeal to emotion too, it's "won't someone please think of the children" whilst trying to argue for a privilege that actually benefits children who are the most privileged in society further.

Why did you try to misrepresent my points? Is it because you can't actually debate them?

So an extra £81 a week. Which means you are paying annual school fees of £21,060.
The average is £18,000 a year. So the average extra vat is an extra £69 a week.

https://whichschooladvisor.com/uk/school-news/rising-cost-of-uk-private-school-fees-families-paying-average-ps18000-a-year

I’m doing maths here and pointing out figures from another thread ( stated by a tax supporter) I am not talking about what I can afford. My kids are all in their 20s. So irrelevant

Unless of course if they decide to tax Universities as well. They are considered by the Government as private

You know as well as I do there are no plans to tax university fees. That is scaremongering by private school parents and supporters.

But it begs the question ‘why not’? No one needs to go to university. It surely is a Luxury good?

( Our school fees were above average when the kids were there. So this figure doesn’t reflect our school anyway )

But the figures came from another thread. By a supporter of the tax.

It was me that came up with the figure of 58 pounds, I calculated that using the IFS study's figure for the average private school fee for 2022-23.

Again though, if a family paying 18k a year for a student to go to school can't find the 69 pounds a week extra to fund this, then they have made poor financial decisions and totally overstretched.

@Drfosters it is whataboutery. You are trying to deflect.

If private school parents can not be bothered to make the sacrifices to pay an average extra £69 a week, or do an additional job or take in a lodger, that is their choice.

Can you clarify the phrase 'every single parent' please?

a) Every parent?
b) Every parent raising a child alone?

Eh?

@IAmNotASheep if your school fees were much above average, then you must be a pretty wealthy family already. Eton boarding school is nearly £50,000 a year for example. So an extra £192 per week.

This

They won't because the majority can afford the VAT increase. The OP seems bitter but them's the breaks really.

Can you get a cleaning job for a few hours a week to make up the difference?

My kids aren’t at school anymore.
Read the thread.

Not sure what your point is

The only thing that is appalling about this 'attitude' or the more correct description of 'opinion' appears to be that it doesn't agree with yours. 🤔

Surely most private schools can absorb the vat rise through efficiency savings. These threads never go after that. It's always bashing starmer for having the gall to propose a bold policy (which Sunak claimed last night are what is needed to fix the national crisis we are all in).

ok fair enough but then by your own argument, if someone has 3, 4 or 5 children and is struggling to pay for them, why don’t they take in additional job or take in a lodger, that is their choice. No one should rely on the state for anything until those things have been done.

but with regards to whataboutary-it was a genuine question. So many people are referring to private education as a luxury. But university is a luxury as well. You don’t have to go, it is by definition elitist as you need to achieve certain grades to get there, your career prospects and earning potential are higher (allegedly!) for going. It fits the exact same criteria as private schools does in my mind.

and again ignoring the impact on the kids.

Pure Envy

Yep. 👏
Lets think of all the kids for once.
Not just our own.

I really dont think it's envy. After all people have been told time and again now that private school parents can barely rub two pennies together.

My children go to private school and I wholeheartedly agree with @GOTBrienne

It's really embarrassing seeing the obsession some private school parents (or Tory bots) have over this at a time when many children are going hungry, can't get dental treatment, can't get a doctor's appointment. And that's before we think about things like the environment, which is the major issue affecting the next generation anyway. Far bigger than whether their school has a nice swimming pool. Rishi was clear he won't pay more than vague lip service to climate change while continuing to ensure his cronies make vast profits from fossil fuels. This feels a far bigger issue than whether a few overstreched parents have to cut down on their ski holidays

@Drfosters lots of parents already do overtime or an extra job. Lodgers are rarer for poorer families as they usually do not have the space.
In reality schools will absorb some of the increased cost, so parents will be paying less than the average £69 a week.

I am actually pretty disgusted with the way some private school parents are behaving. They are acting as if an average of £69 a week (for most will be less as schools will absorb some cost), is like the downfall of Rome. I have lost count of the number of threads on MN about this, and have read so much scaremongering.
I was not interested in this policy, but after seeing the reaction of some parents I will be extremely disgusted if it does not happen.

And this post tales the biscuit with OP suggesting clogging up state school applications as a protest. Disgustingly selfish behaviour. If you are moving your child to the state sector apply. But to apply when you have no intention of taking up a school place is terrible behaviour.

Just cos I've seen it mentioned on this thread and not corrected anywhere, apologies for derail. You absolutely can claim child benefit for 3rd and subsequent children. The two child limit applies to child tax credit and universal credit only.

I hope that helps anyone who needs to put in a CB claim for their third kid to cover the rise in VAT on their indy school place.

The reason all the kids with SEN were fucked over was because of Tory austerity slashing local authority and school budgets in the first place

And there are plenty of children with SEN who don't even have a decent bed to sleep in or a decent roof over their heads. Who rely on food bank parcels for the next meal. I know because the charity I volunteer for is trying to support them

Anyone voting Tory for the sake of kids with SEN needs their head examining.