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To go no contact with overbearing testerical father

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postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 20:50

I gave birth to DD almost 6 weeks ago. It was a perfect natural birth and I was on cloud 9, although by the time I’d gotten home at 5am the next morning I was shattered after 4 hours sleep in about 50 hours. I missed DS (18 months) terribly after 2 nights away from him, 2 nights that he spent with my dad & his partner as he’d picked him up the night I went into labour as arranged. He is retired and it was a weeknight, my mum works and all grandparents knew the plan- that it would most likely be my dad that would get the call to mind DC1 when I gave birth.

(Context: My parents have been divorced for a good 20 years but there is a history of rivalry between them especially on dad’s part : He got angry and upset with my brother on the birth of his first born 5 years ago because he & his partner wanted the mums to visit first, my dad’s nose was out of joint and he made a big scene because he wanted to be first to meet his first grandchild. TLDR; my dad has form for this).

After sharing the news & photos with dad by text, I thanked them wholeheartedly for having my DS, added that I missed DS terribly, couldn't wait to introduce him to his new sister, and would they please drop him off later that afternoon after we’d had a bit of sleep. I also added that I would be upstairs sleeping and feeding the baby when they arrived to drop DS off. Before their arrival I asked my partner to remind my dad that I wasn’t going to be making an appearance with the baby as I was upstairs feeding & sleeping etc.

When they arrived, my partner told him this politely, and my dad started to make his way upstairs to my room ‘to see if I was awake’. Partner said no, I wouldn’t be happy with that, and my dad said “I don’t care”. Partner repeated the request and again my dad said “I don’t care!” I hear dad on the landing while I’m in bed, naked, with baby on my boob. I say “Dad, no” twice, he opens my bedroom door and I again say “Dad, NO”, he says he just wants to see the baby- at this point he’s halfway to me and so I growl at him “BOUNDARIES!” He then skulks off, loudly complaining about the unfairness because he didn’t get to see brother’s kid first, and that I’ve forgotten that the baby is his family too, bla bla. Dad’s partner urges him to make their quick exit.

My 18 month old son that I’d been waiting to introduce to his baby sister has essentially been pushed in front of, my dad has disrespected my partner in his own home by pushing past him up the stairs, and I don’t think I need to be explain how wrong it was of him to barge into my room despite several polite and then not-so-polite requests not to. I’m absolutely livid and upset and know I need to address it before he can come back to my house.

So, after a couple of days I text him to tell him the baby’s name that we’d settled on, with another photo, and that I was planning on calling him the next day. His response was simply that he wasn’t ready to talk to me. I called him anyway and it went like this:

Dad, I’m calling to invite you to meet your beautiful granddaughter on the condition that you apologise for your behaviour in my house. He said “bye” and hung up. I call back and continue, he didn’t have to accept this but how he responded now would dictate how we all remember the period around DD’s birth. Dad then launches into a tirade about: how I have no concept of the damage I’ve done, how ‘up myself’ I am, he’s been having heart palpitations because of the way he’s been treated, and how he will be ready to meet his granddaughter in a month once I’ve done some self-reflection and apologised for what I’ve done. I tell my 3 brothers, I tell my mum. All absolutely appalled.

His partner texts me with how much my dad is suffering physically and mentally, and would I come round to talk, and how dad was simply excited to see his grandchild. I’m resolute that he was had wilfully caused all of this, we have no to-ing and fro-ing, and the bottom line is that dad comes to ME to apologise and meet his granddaughter.

My brother arranges a surprise video call between me and my dad where he shouts non-stop at me how humiliated he is and how hurtful I have been, how ungrateful I am because he ‘dropped everything’ to have DS for two nights when I went into labour and at one point said my DS meeting his new baby sister didn’t matter anyway because “he will never remember it”. I’m shouting back at him and demanding to know exactly what it is I’ve done wrong. He just talks about his hurt feelings. It goes nowhere and I end the call with my apologies that this cannot be sorted out right now.

Over the course of these past 5 weeks my dad has had (and is currently on) 2 holidays. His only attempt at contacting me is a text message to ask whether he is still babysitting my DS1 on a certain day. I ask him to call me. He says no.

Wider family have gotten involved and my aunt (dads sister) has been staying with him and thinks that I should hear him out, and has reported back to me that my dad will not apologise unless I also take accountability for ‘my part’. Although he admits he “could have handled things differently” (!) So over 5 weeks later and my dad really has not progressed at all.

I love my dad and want him to meet his grandchild but I am not going to let him get away with all of this terrible behaviour. He has always been a bully, an old-fashioned patriarchal and kind of narcissistic character. I grew up with him emotionally and physically abusing my mum and always stood up to him as a child, in later years he has always prided himself on my strength of character and- how much like him I am!

I also want him to see my son but I cannot let him pick and choose which grandchild to see. I’m adamant that, for once in his life, he takes accountability and apologises to me and my partner. I’m devastated my DD will be nearly 2 months old by the time dad gets back from his holiday and can’t believe he has prioritised that over sorting this out and meeting his granddaughter.

Where oh where the fuck do I go from here? Going no contact will be awful but I can do it; I am adamant that for once in his life he takes ownership of his behaviour and the impact it has had on me. This has all had a huge impact on my own mental and physical health too. I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth. He clearly feels that me being his daughter trumps all of this and only sees things from his point of view- HIS daughter, HIS grandchild.

Your insights gratefully received because I’m going round the bend with anger and hurt.

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sleepandcoffee · 03/06/2024 20:53

He sounds like a selfish pig , I would be cutting him out of my life for sure !

BeeCucumber · 03/06/2024 20:56

It’s all about him isn’t it. Let him stew. Enjoy your lovely family - they are more important.

HalebiHabibti · 03/06/2024 20:58

He's behaving dreadfully. Do not let them tell you you've behaved badly because you really haven't!

LunaNorth · 03/06/2024 20:59

What a massive drama llama he sounds. Ignore him and enjoy your lovely DD.

Absolutely loving ‘testerical’, by the way.

DaffydownClock · 03/06/2024 21:00

Dear god, what a selfish oaf he is.
I’d go completely NC; I wouldn’t be able to speak civilly to him and I greatly suspect he wouldn’t listen anyway.

postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:02

Thanks for the messages of support.
Yep, he's a pig. Yep he's selfish and it's ALL about him. Yes he's testerical!!

To be honest I cannot wait to tear him a new one. He doesn't intimidate me at all. He's not coming to apologise because he knows I will absolutely bury him. I want the opportunity to really let him have it. He's a ball-swinging Billy big bollocks chicken shit.

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vincettenoir · 03/06/2024 21:04

This is a bit six of one and half a dozen of the other. Your Dad should never have bullied his way upstairs and he has shown no insight into this bad behaviour, which is very unhelpful.

But of course he hoped for a peak at his dgd after providing care for your lo and the situation where this was told he couldn’t seems a bit bizarre to me. It may be that you wanted to assert your boundaries after issues that occurred with him before. But I think this was maybe not the best way to go about it.

Your dd may well be a difficult character but making the big decision to go NC while you have a newborn might not be the best for you. You don’t want to become being preoccupied with this because you need to focus on your dc. Either way good luck with it all.

postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:05

The day after the bedroom invasion, he dropped off some of DS's belongings on my mums doorstep.

I haven't even looked at the bag of gifts he brought round on the day of the home invasion. Do I dump that off on his doorstep?

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ReggaetonLente · 03/06/2024 21:05

My mil behaved a bit like this when I had DD (although in fairness to her not this bad!) and I really regret that I let it take up so much headspace when I should have been enjoying my new baby.

Seriously just forget about him, he won’t change, you won’t get what you want from him. Your little family is more important, focus on them. Congratulations on your new arrival.

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

Mouswife · 03/06/2024 21:11

Just cut him off. It’s all drama you don’t need.

PenelopeFeatherington · 03/06/2024 21:12

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

I agree with this. I don't understand why he couldn't at least have a glimpse of the new baby after looking after your son for two days and coming to drop him off. It seems a strange hill to die on. It sounds like he's close to your son and you trusted him to his care, so is obviously a caring grandfather despite his foibles.

bloodyeffinnora · 03/06/2024 21:12

He came to your house to drop off your son after taking care of him for 2 nights and you couldn't even spare him 5 minutes to see his new granddaughter.
I can definitely see why he's upset at that. BUT, he definitely shouldn't have barged in your room though, and should apologise for that.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 03/06/2024 21:12

He sounds like a complete arse, and like he always has been - don't get me wrong, he's completely out of order and has behaved appallingly.

Whilst it was your choice, and he should have respected it, I do think it was a unreasonable of you to refuse to let him meet your baby when he was actually in your house, having looked after your DS while you were in labour. I think anyone, Grandparent or not, would be upset by that and probably feel used.

I agree you need an apology from him, and to try to get him to see how badly he behaved, I think I'd be saying to him and all the flying monkeys who bring it up 'Dad burst into my bedroom, while I was naked, despite DP trying to stop him and me shouting from inside not to come in. He didn't even leave when he could see I was undressed. He completely disregarded both our wishes, and my dignity. I'm very upset that he can't see that what he did was awful, he's refused to apologise and has only spoken to me to shout about how cross he is. That's the last thing I need with a new baby so right now I need some space from him. When he's ready to apologise he knows where I am.'

While people will argue that he just wanted to see the baby /DS won't remember if he was first to see DD/parents these days are too sensitive / it takes a village etc etc, almost everyone would agree that it's not OK for a father to burst in on his grown daughter when she's naked!

PenelopeFeatherington · 03/06/2024 21:13

My MIL came to visit us in the hospital after my section with my second, and my mum and dad picked us up and drove us all home! It never would have occurred to me that they could make the effort to help us out and not see the new baby.

slaggybumbum · 03/06/2024 21:17

Soooo much drama from both of you- you are more like him than you think!

Enjoy your baby.

bigageap · 03/06/2024 21:17

Barging in was a silly move but why are so many people so precious about people seeing their newborns.

dad you’re good enough to get up in the middle of the night and babysit when it suits but I can’t carry the baby down for 5mins to see!

kiwiane · 03/06/2024 21:19

He’s making it easier for you - stop trying with him altogether.

WGACA · 03/06/2024 21:19

bloodyeffinnora · 03/06/2024 21:12

He came to your house to drop off your son after taking care of him for 2 nights and you couldn't even spare him 5 minutes to see his new granddaughter.
I can definitely see why he's upset at that. BUT, he definitely shouldn't have barged in your room though, and should apologise for that.

I think this too. You could’ve let him have a little peek.

postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:20

I'm taking all the criticisms into consideration, because I really have struggled to see his side, but maybe if he'd even just sat down in the living room and asked I might have considered it. He would have been welcomed the next day. I had little to no sleep for 50 hours. He said "I don't care". He planned this! I understand he's hurt but I stick to this: my feelings > his feelings.

It's really how he's dealt with this and the insults and the hanging up on me and going on holiday and not meeting his granddaughter and not apologising that is a far bigger issue than the original offence.

Good for all of you who let your parents and in-laws into your post-labour oxytocin bubble 🤩

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RightOnTheEdge · 03/06/2024 21:22

He was completely out of order for barging up to your room after he'd been told not to, he was a total pig for doing that.

But I do think it was ridiculous and mean to not let him see your new baby for five minutes after he had looked after your son for two nights. I would never dream of doing that to my parents.

You all sound like total drama llamas to be honest.

ValleyClouds · 03/06/2024 21:22

I have a toxic and abusive father. I haven't spoken to him for close to 20 years and haven't missed him once. I suspect you won't either.

HippyKayYay · 03/06/2024 21:22

OP this all sounds familiar. As a daughter of a similar man, I know how their toxic, self-centred behaviour can take up so much space and time. Yes, you should have let him quickly meet DD. But I get why you wanted to assert this boundary. Ultimately this isn’t really about the incident and its aftermath, but about your relationship with your dad and what you want it to be in the future.

As to where you go from here… Therapy has helped me come to terms with my father’s shitness and emotional abuse. I now have a relatively arms-length cordial relationship. It works for me/us because I know that dredging up it all up with my dad will have no positive outcome. I don’t think either you or your dad are going to get the apology you want.

HippyKayYay · 03/06/2024 21:25

Btw OP my dad threw a similar strop after my wedding and said the most vitriolic things to me via email. I didn’t speak to him for several year after that one. It’s ok to take a break from your relationship if you need to. Focus on your own family.

Wotcher · 03/06/2024 21:25

He absolutely should not have forced his way into your home, and I physically got angry at him walking in on you naked!

However, I’m also with previous posters - it feels unreasonable for him not to be allowed to see the baby when he’s right there on your doorstep, having done you a huge favour. It feels a bit like you’re punishing him for his past behaviours (which may be totally justified) but also using him to your advantage when it suits you, e.g. for babysitting and drop offs. You can’t have it both ways without coming off as unreasonable.

I cannot imagine asking my partner to turn either of my parents away from my house, without bothering to see them myself, and denying them a quick minute or two with a new grandchild.