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To go no contact with overbearing testerical father

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postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 20:50

I gave birth to DD almost 6 weeks ago. It was a perfect natural birth and I was on cloud 9, although by the time I’d gotten home at 5am the next morning I was shattered after 4 hours sleep in about 50 hours. I missed DS (18 months) terribly after 2 nights away from him, 2 nights that he spent with my dad & his partner as he’d picked him up the night I went into labour as arranged. He is retired and it was a weeknight, my mum works and all grandparents knew the plan- that it would most likely be my dad that would get the call to mind DC1 when I gave birth.

(Context: My parents have been divorced for a good 20 years but there is a history of rivalry between them especially on dad’s part : He got angry and upset with my brother on the birth of his first born 5 years ago because he & his partner wanted the mums to visit first, my dad’s nose was out of joint and he made a big scene because he wanted to be first to meet his first grandchild. TLDR; my dad has form for this).

After sharing the news & photos with dad by text, I thanked them wholeheartedly for having my DS, added that I missed DS terribly, couldn't wait to introduce him to his new sister, and would they please drop him off later that afternoon after we’d had a bit of sleep. I also added that I would be upstairs sleeping and feeding the baby when they arrived to drop DS off. Before their arrival I asked my partner to remind my dad that I wasn’t going to be making an appearance with the baby as I was upstairs feeding & sleeping etc.

When they arrived, my partner told him this politely, and my dad started to make his way upstairs to my room ‘to see if I was awake’. Partner said no, I wouldn’t be happy with that, and my dad said “I don’t care”. Partner repeated the request and again my dad said “I don’t care!” I hear dad on the landing while I’m in bed, naked, with baby on my boob. I say “Dad, no” twice, he opens my bedroom door and I again say “Dad, NO”, he says he just wants to see the baby- at this point he’s halfway to me and so I growl at him “BOUNDARIES!” He then skulks off, loudly complaining about the unfairness because he didn’t get to see brother’s kid first, and that I’ve forgotten that the baby is his family too, bla bla. Dad’s partner urges him to make their quick exit.

My 18 month old son that I’d been waiting to introduce to his baby sister has essentially been pushed in front of, my dad has disrespected my partner in his own home by pushing past him up the stairs, and I don’t think I need to be explain how wrong it was of him to barge into my room despite several polite and then not-so-polite requests not to. I’m absolutely livid and upset and know I need to address it before he can come back to my house.

So, after a couple of days I text him to tell him the baby’s name that we’d settled on, with another photo, and that I was planning on calling him the next day. His response was simply that he wasn’t ready to talk to me. I called him anyway and it went like this:

Dad, I’m calling to invite you to meet your beautiful granddaughter on the condition that you apologise for your behaviour in my house. He said “bye” and hung up. I call back and continue, he didn’t have to accept this but how he responded now would dictate how we all remember the period around DD’s birth. Dad then launches into a tirade about: how I have no concept of the damage I’ve done, how ‘up myself’ I am, he’s been having heart palpitations because of the way he’s been treated, and how he will be ready to meet his granddaughter in a month once I’ve done some self-reflection and apologised for what I’ve done. I tell my 3 brothers, I tell my mum. All absolutely appalled.

His partner texts me with how much my dad is suffering physically and mentally, and would I come round to talk, and how dad was simply excited to see his grandchild. I’m resolute that he was had wilfully caused all of this, we have no to-ing and fro-ing, and the bottom line is that dad comes to ME to apologise and meet his granddaughter.

My brother arranges a surprise video call between me and my dad where he shouts non-stop at me how humiliated he is and how hurtful I have been, how ungrateful I am because he ‘dropped everything’ to have DS for two nights when I went into labour and at one point said my DS meeting his new baby sister didn’t matter anyway because “he will never remember it”. I’m shouting back at him and demanding to know exactly what it is I’ve done wrong. He just talks about his hurt feelings. It goes nowhere and I end the call with my apologies that this cannot be sorted out right now.

Over the course of these past 5 weeks my dad has had (and is currently on) 2 holidays. His only attempt at contacting me is a text message to ask whether he is still babysitting my DS1 on a certain day. I ask him to call me. He says no.

Wider family have gotten involved and my aunt (dads sister) has been staying with him and thinks that I should hear him out, and has reported back to me that my dad will not apologise unless I also take accountability for ‘my part’. Although he admits he “could have handled things differently” (!) So over 5 weeks later and my dad really has not progressed at all.

I love my dad and want him to meet his grandchild but I am not going to let him get away with all of this terrible behaviour. He has always been a bully, an old-fashioned patriarchal and kind of narcissistic character. I grew up with him emotionally and physically abusing my mum and always stood up to him as a child, in later years he has always prided himself on my strength of character and- how much like him I am!

I also want him to see my son but I cannot let him pick and choose which grandchild to see. I’m adamant that, for once in his life, he takes accountability and apologises to me and my partner. I’m devastated my DD will be nearly 2 months old by the time dad gets back from his holiday and can’t believe he has prioritised that over sorting this out and meeting his granddaughter.

Where oh where the fuck do I go from here? Going no contact will be awful but I can do it; I am adamant that for once in his life he takes ownership of his behaviour and the impact it has had on me. This has all had a huge impact on my own mental and physical health too. I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth. He clearly feels that me being his daughter trumps all of this and only sees things from his point of view- HIS daughter, HIS grandchild.

Your insights gratefully received because I’m going round the bend with anger and hurt.

OP posts:
Pillowface1 · 03/06/2024 21:26

God love you. How awful.
Your violent wife assaulting father is utter scum who has zero respect for himself or anyone else.
Your anger and disgust is warranted.
He would never be setting foot in my house again.
Him forcing his way into your bedroom is creepy as fxxk.
I actually think he sounds dangerous and deranged. I feel very sorry for your partner in all this.
I would not want scum like your father near my children.
He abused your mother. Why would you want your family around the likes of that?

toomanytonotice · 03/06/2024 21:26

RightOnTheEdge · 03/06/2024 21:22

He was completely out of order for barging up to your room after he'd been told not to, he was a total pig for doing that.

But I do think it was ridiculous and mean to not let him see your new baby for five minutes after he had looked after your son for two nights. I would never dream of doing that to my parents.

You all sound like total drama llamas to be honest.

This.

it wasn’t even as if baby needed feeding and you’d gone upstairs. You actually planned it so he wouldn’t be able to see the baby deliberately.

could you really not have brought the baby downstairs for a few minutes for him to meet her? Or even if you weren’t feeling up to it your partner could have brought her down.

like pp I’d never keep my family away from a new baby, especially after they’ve done you a huge favour and looked after your son. That’s incredibly hurtful- it’s ok for him to be family when you need something, but not when you don’t want him around.

thanKyouaIMee · 03/06/2024 21:27

I actually completely disagree with the posters saying what harm was it to let him see his grandchild / he looked after your DS so why not let him see you both. I don't think it's mean to want some time resting after literally coming home with a new baby 🤷🏻‍♀️ he could have popped by the day after! It's not like you'd hosted every other family member but him and snubbed him, you'd just returned from an exhausting hospital stay.

You went through labour and birth. You were home, naked and breastfeeding in bed. Not a single person should be pushing past your partner in your own home to enter your bedroom despite you shouting not too. No amount of provided childcare (that was pre arranged!) gives anyone the right to behave like that.

The insults afterwards and him being so rude would be the final straw for me - you have nothing to apologise for imo. Your boundaries aren't something to be wilfully ignored and then everything turned round on you - he could have just apologised for ignoring you and said he was excited to meet the baby and it would have been over with.

He sounds like a typical man used to getting his own wilful way - the fact he was apparently so excited to me your new baby that he physically man handled his way into your room but now will wait 2 months to prove a point shows to me it wasn't about meeting the baby but getting his own way (and maybe proving something after your brothers child!).

LiterallyOnFire · 03/06/2024 21:28

slaggybumbum · 03/06/2024 21:17

Soooo much drama from both of you- you are more like him than you think!

Enjoy your baby.

Yes this.

cuckyplunt · 03/06/2024 21:29

He’d had your son for the night while you had the baby. I don’t think it would have killed you to let him see you and the baby for 5 minutes on that first day,

LiterallyOnFire · 03/06/2024 21:29

postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:20

I'm taking all the criticisms into consideration, because I really have struggled to see his side, but maybe if he'd even just sat down in the living room and asked I might have considered it. He would have been welcomed the next day. I had little to no sleep for 50 hours. He said "I don't care". He planned this! I understand he's hurt but I stick to this: my feelings > his feelings.

It's really how he's dealt with this and the insults and the hanging up on me and going on holiday and not meeting his granddaughter and not apologising that is a far bigger issue than the original offence.

Good for all of you who let your parents and in-laws into your post-labour oxytocin bubble 🤩

What do you mean "he planned this"?

Why do you think that?

FellowshipOfTheBing · 03/06/2024 21:30

Hmmmm sorry OP but I agree with a few others here

I get you wanted your DS to meet your DD first but he was expected to drop everything to have him for two nights and then drop him off and disappear without even seeing your or the new baby? This almost seems like some sort of punishment?

He could have waited downstairs while DS was introduced and then come up when you were ready.

You say he could have asked but it's very sad that you feel he needs to ask in the first place.

As much as you say he can't pick and chose which grandchild he sees, you also can't pick and chose when you want him to be a grandparent. Good enough to provide childcare for one when needed but not good enough to meet the other child?

I caveat this all by saying it sounds like you have a very tricky relationship with him and him barging in was not acceptable.

toomanytonotice · 03/06/2024 21:31

I’m devastated my DD will be nearly 2 months old by the time dad gets back from his holiday and can’t believe he has prioritised that over sorting this out and meeting his granddaughter

he was there, ready to meet her within days of her birth and you wouldn’t let him.

now you are “devastated” she’s two months old and he hasn’t met her yet, and won’t drop everything to dance to your tune.

it was your choice for him not to meet her, you can’t complain about that.

FellowshipOfTheBing · 03/06/2024 21:31

@Wotcher snap on the punishment theory. I agree this is what it sounds like

backtonormality · 03/06/2024 21:32

I think you're being unreasonable about not letting him see the baby when he came after having your son for you.
I also think your demands about his behaviour and accountability are unreasonable.
You're not his parent, who exactly do you think you are?
You owe each other nothing and both sound like entitled narcissists if I'm honest.

Beautifulbythebay · 03/06/2024 21:32

He used to hit your dm and he is around your dc?
Maybe you need even stricter boundaries op.

FellowshipOfTheBing · 03/06/2024 21:33

he planned this

Not sure what you mean by this but yes, he probably did plan to try and see his new grandchild while dropping off his other grandchild? In the same way he might argue you 'planned' to use him for childcare but turn him away once he'd done this

This line of thinking seems harsh but this is probably how he feels

TheHornedOne · 03/06/2024 21:33

You do both sound as bad as each other…

LiterallyOnFire · 03/06/2024 21:36

I think "I told mum and three brothers and they were all shocked and appalled" (paraphrasing a bit) is key in this, TBH.

Almost like there are brownie points to be earned by bringing bad tales of dad to mum.

All the escalating drama sounds ridiculous.

If your mum and her children all agree that your dad is a terrible bully, why are you accepting childcare and so on from him?

OTOH, if you want a relationship with him, you have to let bygones stay on the shelf and stop overreacting to things that happen now.

Kianai · 03/06/2024 21:36

He was a good enough grandfather for you to leave your son in his care for days, but not to see your baby for 5 minutes when he brought your son back?

I'm sure you will both get a thrill out of milking the drama for a few weeks, then make up. Because you won't want to lose the support of someone willing to drop everything to provide childcare, and he will want to see his grandchildren.

I've seen families like yours, the apple rarely falls far from the tree. But everyone involved seems to get something out of the drama, a little rush, so they end up happy enough. Personally it all looks rather tiring from the outside.

Good luck, your dc will probably be drama addicted too 🤣

Gruffallowhydidntyouknow · 03/06/2024 21:36

I literally don't understand why you couldn't come down for 10 minutes so he could see her. Seems a bit off really for him to know his knew grand-daughter is in the house and not be allowed to see her.

bluebutterfly8 · 03/06/2024 21:37

I'm sorry but I feel like this is more on you than him.

Yes, he's in the wrong for barging uptairs and being rude.

However, he did look after your son for 2 days - it wouldn't have hurt to have allowed him to see his new grand daughter for 5 minutes. You intentionally wanted it all on your terms. Relationships are 2 sided - yet it sounds like you want it 'your way or no way'.
Not only did he look after your son for 2 days, he also followed your instruction of waiting for you to get home and have your 'rest' before they were allowed to drop your child of.

And if I'm honest, I feel like your brother and his wife were unreasonable too; whether it's grandma or grandad - they equal. Why let one see your baby first and then the other :/
I can see how your dad must have felt after that too.

I think you need to self-reflect.

Natty13 · 03/06/2024 21:37

Hmm he sounds a bit like my father to be honest - extremely belligerant, poor boundaries and a hot temper.

However he would never un a million years think he could get away with all this behaviour. The reason for that is I have effectively trained him how to behave towards me. I absolutely will not be disrespected, especially by someone who is supposed to love me. Being shouted at is my line in the sand and it took a couple of years for him to realise that if he ever shouted at me again, he wouldn't be having a relationship with my children. Some family, including him, see me as being difficult and strong willed because of it but I frankly don't care. Any tolerance of this nonsense is seen as permission to do what they want for men like this. The only way is to play hard ball. Remember YOU hold all the cards here, not him. He can be as stubborn as he likes but it's him that will miss out on your kids not you.

Your children are young enough that you can still try but being the person to reach out, call him, tell him what to say, that won't work. You need to act and behave as if you couldn't care less if you never saw him again. Even if we know you very much do care. When I told my dad he would never meet my future children if he ever raised his voice to me again it broke my heart but he believed it and it scared him. That's what matters. He learned how to keep his nasty temper to himself and now is a loving grandfather.

Canyousewcushions · 03/06/2024 21:37

vincettenoir · 03/06/2024 21:04

This is a bit six of one and half a dozen of the other. Your Dad should never have bullied his way upstairs and he has shown no insight into this bad behaviour, which is very unhelpful.

But of course he hoped for a peak at his dgd after providing care for your lo and the situation where this was told he couldn’t seems a bit bizarre to me. It may be that you wanted to assert your boundaries after issues that occurred with him before. But I think this was maybe not the best way to go about it.

Your dd may well be a difficult character but making the big decision to go NC while you have a newborn might not be the best for you. You don’t want to become being preoccupied with this because you need to focus on your dc. Either way good luck with it all.

This. If someone had looked after my toddler foe a couple of nights I'd at least have been sat downstairs in my PJs so they could see the baby briefly and I could see and hug my toddler too and the wee one could meet the baby too.

Your dad shouldn't have barged in but it was pretty odd to be that unavailable.

Thepossibility · 03/06/2024 21:47

My mum babysat each time I went into labour and I wouldn't have dreamed of not letting her have a peek at the new GC after she'd done that favour for me. If I was naked DH would've carried the baby down for two minutes. He shouldn't have barged in but you were being needlessly mean. It sounds like it would've meant a lot to him to just lay eyes on the baby and you refused him that, he wasn't trying to look at your naked body.

Babyshambles90 · 03/06/2024 21:50

I understand this, I have a not dissimilar family dynamic. My personal perspective would be to consider a couple of things. Firstly that you probably aren’t going to change him. Secondly that it’s understandable given the brief glimpse into your family history that you’ve given, but you may have reached a point where you are consciously or unconsciously setting up conflicts. You had choices here, and you seem to have chosen to create what was objectively was probably always going to be an explosive situation. You knew how much this would matter to him (for both the right and wrong reasons), you knew he would feel he had “earned” the first meeting, you determined that you would feel you had right on your side, and you lit the touchpaper and your dad reacted predictably badly. I would recommend being honest with yourself about what your preferred outcome is here. Do you want to go NC, and all of this is to give yourself a reason to be able to? Because you don’t need permission to do that. You can just do it, walk away, and enjoy your own family unit without the drama. Or do you want to keep your dad in your life? If so, it’s likely that you’ll need to accept that he isn’t going to change so you’re going to have to implement strategies to “manage” him and keep an equilibrium. Like apologising even though you don’t feel you should. The one thing that from my experience is a hiding to nothing is to keep trying to change them. Everyone ends up frustrated and unhappy, and it’s a waste of time and energy. You are not going to get these first weeks with your baby back again - I wouldn’t waste emotional energy trying to force an outcome where your dad admits he is wrong.

vanillaclouds · 03/06/2024 21:51

Good grief what a family, poor baby. Unfortunately toxicity does run in families and your dd probably has all this to come.

pikkumyy77 · 03/06/2024 21:53

boo hoo! He looked after dgs! Wah wah! He invaded his dd’s privacy while she was naked and trying to get bf established. He is way old enough to know better!

JimandPam · 03/06/2024 21:53

OP there is a lot of history here which is clearly impacting this event.

But to look at it in isolation...

-Your dad looked after your son for 2 nights while you were in labour (presumably cancelled plans or kept weeks free)

-You asked him to extend this for an afternoon to let you rest

-You told him to drop DS off but that he wouldn't be seeing you or your new daughter

-He tried to come up and get a peek and come in despite you shouting not to. (Out of order)

-You then didn't contact him to even tell him her name for two more days

-When you did contact him, you demanded an apology and said he wouldn't meet the new grandchild unless you got one

-When that didn't work you warned him that how he behaved would forever be remembered at the time of her birth

-He has agreed he shouldn't have barged in and apologised but asked you to reflect on your part in it. You have refused.

-You are now upset that he has been on holiday twice instead of cancelling to sort this out.

And you scoff that he has said the two of you are alike(!!)

OP I would honestly have a think about how much of this is punishment for how he has behaved on the past and how much baggage you are holding onto.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 21:54

Sorry about the "Look what he made you do!" cheerleaders for abuse.

Of course it is 100 percent irrelevant why he chose to act like that and any excuses are just that, excuses. Under no circumstances, for any reason, at any time would his behaviour have been ok.

I see the usual contingent claiming that handing a newborn around like a parcel and not having your own boundaries is great and fun for all the family, luckily it's not their choice to make.

But what was interesting was that you also pushed past his boundary with phoning him back twice when he said he didn't want to speak to you.

It sounds to me like you are still trying to train him to be a decent human. Understandable, but it won't work.

I wouldn't have allowed him to look after your other child, and he would have been a vague shadowy figure in my life long ago. But that's me, and you have to decide what you want to do.

What you won't get is an apology and he won't change. Working with those facts, make the best decision you can, and then just let it go. We can't change others, only how we react to them.