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To go no contact with overbearing testerical father

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postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 20:50

I gave birth to DD almost 6 weeks ago. It was a perfect natural birth and I was on cloud 9, although by the time I’d gotten home at 5am the next morning I was shattered after 4 hours sleep in about 50 hours. I missed DS (18 months) terribly after 2 nights away from him, 2 nights that he spent with my dad & his partner as he’d picked him up the night I went into labour as arranged. He is retired and it was a weeknight, my mum works and all grandparents knew the plan- that it would most likely be my dad that would get the call to mind DC1 when I gave birth.

(Context: My parents have been divorced for a good 20 years but there is a history of rivalry between them especially on dad’s part : He got angry and upset with my brother on the birth of his first born 5 years ago because he & his partner wanted the mums to visit first, my dad’s nose was out of joint and he made a big scene because he wanted to be first to meet his first grandchild. TLDR; my dad has form for this).

After sharing the news & photos with dad by text, I thanked them wholeheartedly for having my DS, added that I missed DS terribly, couldn't wait to introduce him to his new sister, and would they please drop him off later that afternoon after we’d had a bit of sleep. I also added that I would be upstairs sleeping and feeding the baby when they arrived to drop DS off. Before their arrival I asked my partner to remind my dad that I wasn’t going to be making an appearance with the baby as I was upstairs feeding & sleeping etc.

When they arrived, my partner told him this politely, and my dad started to make his way upstairs to my room ‘to see if I was awake’. Partner said no, I wouldn’t be happy with that, and my dad said “I don’t care”. Partner repeated the request and again my dad said “I don’t care!” I hear dad on the landing while I’m in bed, naked, with baby on my boob. I say “Dad, no” twice, he opens my bedroom door and I again say “Dad, NO”, he says he just wants to see the baby- at this point he’s halfway to me and so I growl at him “BOUNDARIES!” He then skulks off, loudly complaining about the unfairness because he didn’t get to see brother’s kid first, and that I’ve forgotten that the baby is his family too, bla bla. Dad’s partner urges him to make their quick exit.

My 18 month old son that I’d been waiting to introduce to his baby sister has essentially been pushed in front of, my dad has disrespected my partner in his own home by pushing past him up the stairs, and I don’t think I need to be explain how wrong it was of him to barge into my room despite several polite and then not-so-polite requests not to. I’m absolutely livid and upset and know I need to address it before he can come back to my house.

So, after a couple of days I text him to tell him the baby’s name that we’d settled on, with another photo, and that I was planning on calling him the next day. His response was simply that he wasn’t ready to talk to me. I called him anyway and it went like this:

Dad, I’m calling to invite you to meet your beautiful granddaughter on the condition that you apologise for your behaviour in my house. He said “bye” and hung up. I call back and continue, he didn’t have to accept this but how he responded now would dictate how we all remember the period around DD’s birth. Dad then launches into a tirade about: how I have no concept of the damage I’ve done, how ‘up myself’ I am, he’s been having heart palpitations because of the way he’s been treated, and how he will be ready to meet his granddaughter in a month once I’ve done some self-reflection and apologised for what I’ve done. I tell my 3 brothers, I tell my mum. All absolutely appalled.

His partner texts me with how much my dad is suffering physically and mentally, and would I come round to talk, and how dad was simply excited to see his grandchild. I’m resolute that he was had wilfully caused all of this, we have no to-ing and fro-ing, and the bottom line is that dad comes to ME to apologise and meet his granddaughter.

My brother arranges a surprise video call between me and my dad where he shouts non-stop at me how humiliated he is and how hurtful I have been, how ungrateful I am because he ‘dropped everything’ to have DS for two nights when I went into labour and at one point said my DS meeting his new baby sister didn’t matter anyway because “he will never remember it”. I’m shouting back at him and demanding to know exactly what it is I’ve done wrong. He just talks about his hurt feelings. It goes nowhere and I end the call with my apologies that this cannot be sorted out right now.

Over the course of these past 5 weeks my dad has had (and is currently on) 2 holidays. His only attempt at contacting me is a text message to ask whether he is still babysitting my DS1 on a certain day. I ask him to call me. He says no.

Wider family have gotten involved and my aunt (dads sister) has been staying with him and thinks that I should hear him out, and has reported back to me that my dad will not apologise unless I also take accountability for ‘my part’. Although he admits he “could have handled things differently” (!) So over 5 weeks later and my dad really has not progressed at all.

I love my dad and want him to meet his grandchild but I am not going to let him get away with all of this terrible behaviour. He has always been a bully, an old-fashioned patriarchal and kind of narcissistic character. I grew up with him emotionally and physically abusing my mum and always stood up to him as a child, in later years he has always prided himself on my strength of character and- how much like him I am!

I also want him to see my son but I cannot let him pick and choose which grandchild to see. I’m adamant that, for once in his life, he takes accountability and apologises to me and my partner. I’m devastated my DD will be nearly 2 months old by the time dad gets back from his holiday and can’t believe he has prioritised that over sorting this out and meeting his granddaughter.

Where oh where the fuck do I go from here? Going no contact will be awful but I can do it; I am adamant that for once in his life he takes ownership of his behaviour and the impact it has had on me. This has all had a huge impact on my own mental and physical health too. I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth. He clearly feels that me being his daughter trumps all of this and only sees things from his point of view- HIS daughter, HIS grandchild.

Your insights gratefully received because I’m going round the bend with anger and hurt.

OP posts:
greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:25

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:20

The cheerleaders for abusive violent men on this thread are utterly DISGUSTING and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. You are foul.

OP your responses are shaped by an abusive violent man. You're trying to force him to behave, but it won't work.

Let it go, let him go, you've been taught you have to have the last word because otherwise he'll roll over you. But he will never learn, improve or change.

Don't get involved in any more discussions, don't return the gifts. Just move on.

I'm moving on from this thread, cheerleaders for violent men sicken me and I choose not to read their foul attacks.

Edited

Anyone saying she's as bad as he is needs therapy and is not a safe person to ask for support.

Leaving the thread because cheerleaders for abuse make me sick.

Scrumbleton · 03/06/2024 22:25

Christ on a bike - I actually find this really hard to believe at all. Firstly surely no one would be that precious and ungrateful to their DF. Then the idea of the DF breaching the security corden followed by weeks of hysteria thereafter. On the off chance that this is actually true then you are both VV unreasonable.

SomePosters · 03/06/2024 22:29

Why do people turning meeting a baby into some kind of weird popularity contest?

Blondebakingmumma · 03/06/2024 22:30

He didn’t want to be a loving grandfather, he wanted to “win”.

I wouldn’t have trusted him alone with my child considering his abusive past.

Fedupmumofadultsons · 03/06/2024 22:31

The point that actually makes me doubt this is actually true is if her father so bad beat her mum why the hell would she let him watch a vulnerable 18th month old ..please tell me that one those giving abuse to anyone challenging the op for her supposed perfect behaviour

FirstBabySnnorer · 03/06/2024 22:32

So he's a violent abuser and you let him babysit your toddler?

Doyathinkhesaurus · 03/06/2024 22:35

You know you cannot control how other people react right?
Does it serve you continue the drama? What do you really want? Will it serve you to cut him off? Or will it continue the drama and drag other people in?
He's been a dick and he won't apologise. That could be any family across the land. It happens. It's shite but it is what it is. Cutting people off doesn't fix anything. It doesn't change people's minds. You won't get what you want and you will be disappointed.
Do what serves you best to bring peace and calm to you and your house. Then choose his nursing home wisely Wink

ilovevinyl · 03/06/2024 22:37

bloodyeffinnora · 03/06/2024 21:12

He came to your house to drop off your son after taking care of him for 2 nights and you couldn't even spare him 5 minutes to see his new granddaughter.
I can definitely see why he's upset at that. BUT, he definitely shouldn't have barged in your room though, and should apologise for that.

Yeah I agree with this.

DelphiniumBlue · 03/06/2024 22:37

He looked after your DS for 2 days and you couldn't let him see the baby?

Theunamedcat · 03/06/2024 22:38

Scrumbleton · 03/06/2024 22:25

Christ on a bike - I actually find this really hard to believe at all. Firstly surely no one would be that precious and ungrateful to their DF. Then the idea of the DF breaching the security corden followed by weeks of hysteria thereafter. On the off chance that this is actually true then you are both VV unreasonable.

He literally barged into her bedroom while she was naked breastfeeding a baby what father does that

Theunamedcat · 03/06/2024 22:39

FirstBabySnnorer · 03/06/2024 22:32

So he's a violent abuser and you let him babysit your toddler?

It's called placating they knew he would kick off sh they gave him an important job to do so he felt superior

Summerbay23 · 03/06/2024 22:40

bloodyeffinnora · 03/06/2024 21:12

He came to your house to drop off your son after taking care of him for 2 nights and you couldn't even spare him 5 minutes to see his new granddaughter.
I can definitely see why he's upset at that. BUT, he definitely shouldn't have barged in your room though, and should apologise for that.

Agree with this, think you were initially at fault for not letting him say a quick hello to you and the baby after he’d done you a favour for 2 nights. He shouldn’t have barged in though.

beefmassaman · 03/06/2024 22:47

Surely no one is that self absorbed and mean that they would reject a grandparent who just wants a quick look at their new DGC?

And certainly not after they'd just provided 48 hours of toddler child care to facilitate the birth.

No wonder the old goat was hurt. I mean....wtf were you thinking? DH could have whisked baby downstairs for a quick cuddle if you were that busy.

gamerchick · 03/06/2024 22:50

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

Yeah it is a bit 'your services are now not required. You can piss off now'

he has always prided himself on my strength of character and- how much like him I am!

Yep he's right. It's fine to have rigid boundaries. Continuing to inflame this thing we're both of you are a bit to blame is weird. You've got a new baby to enjoy. Just stop using him for childcare if he's such a knob.

Toddlerteaplease · 03/06/2024 22:52

Your dad is in the wrong, but he did you a huge favour by looking after DC1. You could have let him have a peek T his granddaughter, and I know my dad would also want to check on how is own daughter was after giving birth.

HoHoHoliday · 03/06/2024 22:53

Sorry OP, you and your dad are more like each other than I think you are willing to acknowledge.

Your dad sounds like an awful bully with controlling ways. But the language you use here doesn't paint you in glory either.

As everyone else says, you trust him enough to care for your son while you were giving birth. It would have been so easy for you to allow him a few minutes to see you and the baby. But you turned that into a situation that you knew would cause upset.

You seem as though you are enjoying the drama. Updating your mother and siblings on what bad-dad has done. Demanding an apology before he can meet the baby. Threatening to cut ties.

You need to decide what you want from this relationship. Do you want your dad in your life? Then you need to allow him in your life, the person that he is, not the person you want him to be. You cannot change who someone is. If you don't want him in your life then acknowledge that and take action. But to dangle someone on a string, to pull in and out as it suits you, is not fair on anyone involved.

The problem with demanding an apology before a consequence happens is that it doesn't work. You might eventually get an apology, but it won't be genuine, it won't acknowledge the cause or effect of the conflict, and it will still simmer until the next blow up.

For useful reference, there are five well known strategies for conflict resolution.
Avoiding
Competing
Accommodating
Collaborating
Compromising

The first one doesn't work in close personal relationships.
You and your dad are stuck in the second one.
The third one only works for one or the other, but not both.
You need to be in the fourth one, working towards the fifth.

Sapphire387 · 03/06/2024 22:54

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Listen to yourself. You're all about your own boundaries and perfectly happy to use your dad for childcare and then get all uppity because he'd like to briefly see your new daughter.

This does not excuse him barging into your room.

You both sound self-absorbed.

powershowerforanhour · 03/06/2024 22:55

Good post from Babyshambles but this bit needs a bit of careful thought:
"Or do you want to keep your dad in your life? If so, it’s likely that you’ll need to accept that he isn’t going to change so you’re going to have to implement strategies to “manage” him and keep an equilibrium. Like apologising even though you don’t feel you should."
Even if you can stomach doing that to keep the peace, think carefully about your son and daughter in this. If you do this, they will grow up observing a group of people, mostly women- you, his partner, the aunt- pandering to and tiptoeing around a dominant, bullying older male. As if it is normal to have to be careful at all times not to provoke him and if you do, it's your fault and you should abase yourself, grovel and apologise for things that aren't your fault.
Whilst your son is very small and your dad can point out diggers and talk about them (say) it's all well and good- he's big strong grandad who knows loads about diggers. Grandad is happy being the undisputed fount of all knowledge hero, son is happy with infallible hero grandad. What happens when your children get older? What happens when son disagrees and say actually that's a Hitachi not a JCB? What about your daughter? When she gets old enough to be defiant at times, how will he handle it?

BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 03/06/2024 23:01

Honestly if one of parents or anyone had looked after my 18 month old for an hour let alone 2 days I would have been so incredibly grateful and let them see the baby for a minute or two. Its all a bit precious.
Yes your Dad is being a dick but tbh your behaviour was quite rude.
We had no support almost ever, maybe you get it all the time and don't appreciated it.

neonjumper · 03/06/2024 23:05

This is all sorts of messed up as a family .

Far too much enmeshment and no clear boundaries amongst you all ... examples ... why is your brother arranging surprise calls given he knows what went on? Why is your aunt getting involved ? Why is the stepmum messaging on his behalf ? Physical and emotional abuse when growing up and you're unable to see how your own children are now experiencing this ?

Too much enmeshment , flying monkeys , FOG amongst you all as siblings !

You need to step back and see the all sorts of wrong in your family !

Feel quite sad for your husband and children who have to now be part of this dysfunction!

powershowerforanhour · 03/06/2024 23:10

"Do you want your dad in your life? Then you need to allow himin your life, the person that he is. You cannot change who someone is."

A few people have said , "you can't change him" and that is true, he's not going to have some Road to Damascus moment and change his personality.
BUT. He can choose to control his behaviour. "He just can't help himself" is rarely true. He hit his wife back in the day, not Mad Mike the brick shithouse with the "HATE" knuckle tattoos in the local pub. He shouts at his daughter, not his boss.

A PP has recounted her boundary setting : "Raise your voice to me once more and you'll never see your grandchildren again" and it worked. I think it is fine to have a line in the sand actually. As long as you follow through.

StormingNorman · 03/06/2024 23:18

Stand your ground ❤️

powershowerforanhour · 03/06/2024 23:26

"Honestly if one of parents or anyone had looked after my 18 month old for an hour let alone 2 days I would have been so incredibly grateful and let them see the baby for a minute or two. Its all a bit precious."

That's true but...OP was newly postpartum with all the hormones, physical and mental exhaustion that entails and had hardly slept in 50 hours. I think she needs a bit more leeway than somebody who has looked after a toddler for 2 days, tiring as that is if you're not used to it, though I expect his partner helped him. The "each as bad as the other" thing doesn't wash.

Also, given his reaction, the flashpoint was always going to happen. So what if she did engineer it deliberately? If she'd handed the baby over to make nice, the flashpoint would have happened a week, a month, a year later- the first time anyone said a firm hard no to him, about anything, probably. The army here used to do controlled explosions quite often as a way of dealing with bombs, rather than risk trying to defuse them. They had to deal with some messy expensive aftermath, but nobody got hurt.

powershowerforanhour · 03/06/2024 23:28

"Stand your ground ❤️"

This poster suits their username 😀

Arnia · 03/06/2024 23:40

Of course he was wrong to force his way into the room but you were pretty outrageous to not let him see his brand new grandchild for even a minute! I could never have done that to my parent who just looked after my other child for two days. That was very rude of you. Your "oxytocin bubble" wouldn't have burst by letting your dad have a quick glance at the new baby.