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To go no contact with overbearing testerical father

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postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 20:50

I gave birth to DD almost 6 weeks ago. It was a perfect natural birth and I was on cloud 9, although by the time I’d gotten home at 5am the next morning I was shattered after 4 hours sleep in about 50 hours. I missed DS (18 months) terribly after 2 nights away from him, 2 nights that he spent with my dad & his partner as he’d picked him up the night I went into labour as arranged. He is retired and it was a weeknight, my mum works and all grandparents knew the plan- that it would most likely be my dad that would get the call to mind DC1 when I gave birth.

(Context: My parents have been divorced for a good 20 years but there is a history of rivalry between them especially on dad’s part : He got angry and upset with my brother on the birth of his first born 5 years ago because he & his partner wanted the mums to visit first, my dad’s nose was out of joint and he made a big scene because he wanted to be first to meet his first grandchild. TLDR; my dad has form for this).

After sharing the news & photos with dad by text, I thanked them wholeheartedly for having my DS, added that I missed DS terribly, couldn't wait to introduce him to his new sister, and would they please drop him off later that afternoon after we’d had a bit of sleep. I also added that I would be upstairs sleeping and feeding the baby when they arrived to drop DS off. Before their arrival I asked my partner to remind my dad that I wasn’t going to be making an appearance with the baby as I was upstairs feeding & sleeping etc.

When they arrived, my partner told him this politely, and my dad started to make his way upstairs to my room ‘to see if I was awake’. Partner said no, I wouldn’t be happy with that, and my dad said “I don’t care”. Partner repeated the request and again my dad said “I don’t care!” I hear dad on the landing while I’m in bed, naked, with baby on my boob. I say “Dad, no” twice, he opens my bedroom door and I again say “Dad, NO”, he says he just wants to see the baby- at this point he’s halfway to me and so I growl at him “BOUNDARIES!” He then skulks off, loudly complaining about the unfairness because he didn’t get to see brother’s kid first, and that I’ve forgotten that the baby is his family too, bla bla. Dad’s partner urges him to make their quick exit.

My 18 month old son that I’d been waiting to introduce to his baby sister has essentially been pushed in front of, my dad has disrespected my partner in his own home by pushing past him up the stairs, and I don’t think I need to be explain how wrong it was of him to barge into my room despite several polite and then not-so-polite requests not to. I’m absolutely livid and upset and know I need to address it before he can come back to my house.

So, after a couple of days I text him to tell him the baby’s name that we’d settled on, with another photo, and that I was planning on calling him the next day. His response was simply that he wasn’t ready to talk to me. I called him anyway and it went like this:

Dad, I’m calling to invite you to meet your beautiful granddaughter on the condition that you apologise for your behaviour in my house. He said “bye” and hung up. I call back and continue, he didn’t have to accept this but how he responded now would dictate how we all remember the period around DD’s birth. Dad then launches into a tirade about: how I have no concept of the damage I’ve done, how ‘up myself’ I am, he’s been having heart palpitations because of the way he’s been treated, and how he will be ready to meet his granddaughter in a month once I’ve done some self-reflection and apologised for what I’ve done. I tell my 3 brothers, I tell my mum. All absolutely appalled.

His partner texts me with how much my dad is suffering physically and mentally, and would I come round to talk, and how dad was simply excited to see his grandchild. I’m resolute that he was had wilfully caused all of this, we have no to-ing and fro-ing, and the bottom line is that dad comes to ME to apologise and meet his granddaughter.

My brother arranges a surprise video call between me and my dad where he shouts non-stop at me how humiliated he is and how hurtful I have been, how ungrateful I am because he ‘dropped everything’ to have DS for two nights when I went into labour and at one point said my DS meeting his new baby sister didn’t matter anyway because “he will never remember it”. I’m shouting back at him and demanding to know exactly what it is I’ve done wrong. He just talks about his hurt feelings. It goes nowhere and I end the call with my apologies that this cannot be sorted out right now.

Over the course of these past 5 weeks my dad has had (and is currently on) 2 holidays. His only attempt at contacting me is a text message to ask whether he is still babysitting my DS1 on a certain day. I ask him to call me. He says no.

Wider family have gotten involved and my aunt (dads sister) has been staying with him and thinks that I should hear him out, and has reported back to me that my dad will not apologise unless I also take accountability for ‘my part’. Although he admits he “could have handled things differently” (!) So over 5 weeks later and my dad really has not progressed at all.

I love my dad and want him to meet his grandchild but I am not going to let him get away with all of this terrible behaviour. He has always been a bully, an old-fashioned patriarchal and kind of narcissistic character. I grew up with him emotionally and physically abusing my mum and always stood up to him as a child, in later years he has always prided himself on my strength of character and- how much like him I am!

I also want him to see my son but I cannot let him pick and choose which grandchild to see. I’m adamant that, for once in his life, he takes accountability and apologises to me and my partner. I’m devastated my DD will be nearly 2 months old by the time dad gets back from his holiday and can’t believe he has prioritised that over sorting this out and meeting his granddaughter.

Where oh where the fuck do I go from here? Going no contact will be awful but I can do it; I am adamant that for once in his life he takes ownership of his behaviour and the impact it has had on me. This has all had a huge impact on my own mental and physical health too. I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth. He clearly feels that me being his daughter trumps all of this and only sees things from his point of view- HIS daughter, HIS grandchild.

Your insights gratefully received because I’m going round the bend with anger and hurt.

OP posts:
postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:55

Babyshambles90 · 03/06/2024 21:50

I understand this, I have a not dissimilar family dynamic. My personal perspective would be to consider a couple of things. Firstly that you probably aren’t going to change him. Secondly that it’s understandable given the brief glimpse into your family history that you’ve given, but you may have reached a point where you are consciously or unconsciously setting up conflicts. You had choices here, and you seem to have chosen to create what was objectively was probably always going to be an explosive situation. You knew how much this would matter to him (for both the right and wrong reasons), you knew he would feel he had “earned” the first meeting, you determined that you would feel you had right on your side, and you lit the touchpaper and your dad reacted predictably badly. I would recommend being honest with yourself about what your preferred outcome is here. Do you want to go NC, and all of this is to give yourself a reason to be able to? Because you don’t need permission to do that. You can just do it, walk away, and enjoy your own family unit without the drama. Or do you want to keep your dad in your life? If so, it’s likely that you’ll need to accept that he isn’t going to change so you’re going to have to implement strategies to “manage” him and keep an equilibrium. Like apologising even though you don’t feel you should. The one thing that from my experience is a hiding to nothing is to keep trying to change them. Everyone ends up frustrated and unhappy, and it’s a waste of time and energy. You are not going to get these first weeks with your baby back again - I wouldn’t waste emotional energy trying to force an outcome where your dad admits he is wrong.

That's a really considered and helpful response, thanks, this will be what I ponder in as I hit the hay now. 🙂

OP posts:
postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:58

JimandPam · 03/06/2024 21:53

OP there is a lot of history here which is clearly impacting this event.

But to look at it in isolation...

-Your dad looked after your son for 2 nights while you were in labour (presumably cancelled plans or kept weeks free)

-You asked him to extend this for an afternoon to let you rest

-You told him to drop DS off but that he wouldn't be seeing you or your new daughter

-He tried to come up and get a peek and come in despite you shouting not to. (Out of order)

-You then didn't contact him to even tell him her name for two more days

-When you did contact him, you demanded an apology and said he wouldn't meet the new grandchild unless you got one

-When that didn't work you warned him that how he behaved would forever be remembered at the time of her birth

-He has agreed he shouldn't have barged in and apologised but asked you to reflect on your part in it. You have refused.

-You are now upset that he has been on holiday twice instead of cancelling to sort this out.

And you scoff that he has said the two of you are alike(!!)

OP I would honestly have a think about how much of this is punishment for how he has behaved on the past and how much baggage you are holding onto.

No I'm afraid you've made up/misinterpreted several points there, perhaps read my OP again. Just skimming it- we didn't choose DD's name for a couple of days anyway, and no he hasn't apologised so I haven't refused it

OP posts:
LiterallyOnFire · 03/06/2024 22:00

Sorry about the "Look what he made you do!" cheerleaders for abuse.

Not really. What most of us do with abusers is cut contact. We don't use them as babysitters and then push their buttons.

It's odd behaviour.

bodminbeast · 03/06/2024 22:01

I couldn't be bothered with you if you were my family. You do sound like hard work. I feel for your baby girl.

PashaMinaMio · 03/06/2024 22:01

postitnote8 · 03/06/2024 21:02

Thanks for the messages of support.
Yep, he's a pig. Yep he's selfish and it's ALL about him. Yes he's testerical!!

To be honest I cannot wait to tear him a new one. He doesn't intimidate me at all. He's not coming to apologise because he knows I will absolutely bury him. I want the opportunity to really let him have it. He's a ball-swinging Billy big bollocks chicken shit.

@postitnote8

Sounds like you’ve got it sussed!
Well done.
Down with Billy Big Bollocks. He’s needs someone to prick his fkng ego.

Summerhillsquare · 03/06/2024 22:05

Never mind all this. He beat up your mum? Enough said, he's a wrong un.

Cherrysoup · 03/06/2024 22:07

He physically and emotionally abused your mum while you grew up, yet you want him babysitting your ds and are desperate to have him officially meet your dd, despite his appalling behaviour storming into your room even though your dp said no? Wtf? I think you’re firmly immersed in the FOG.

Edenmum2 · 03/06/2024 22:07

I understand why you're cross with him, although it's tricky to comprehend the relationship. I'm close to my parents and they would happily babysit my daughter for 2 nights while I was in labour. They wouldn't push to see me if I wasn't ready but when I gave birth I was desperate for them to meet their grandchild so would definitely not have stayed upstairs in your situation.

So I don't really understand the dynamics.

Why were you so adamant that you didn't want to see him? Were you worried he would want to stay for ages? Are you uncomfortable in his company? Tbh it sounds like for 10 mins of a grandfather meeting his granddaughter you could have avoided weeks and weeks of stress when you should be focusing on your newborn. I understand it was in the moment and you weren't to know....but it seems like there are much bigger things at play.

I think you either need to meet him in the middle or cut contact for a good while whilst you figure out how you really feel

Babymamaroon · 03/06/2024 22:08

I think you could have let him have a quick hello with you both.

I understand your Dad being hurt after all the help he gave you.

You're both being unreasonable in how you've handled things imo as he's reacted and behaved very badly to your less than nice behaviour.

As it is, you've got a massive black cloud over the birth of your second baby, which may be all you really remember.

Just sad.

Seagrassbasket · 03/06/2024 22:08

I’m afraid I’m with most of the others. I don’t think it was reasonable to have him look after your DS for two nights and then airily tell him he couldn’t look at his new granddaughter for a minute.

Having said that it was most definitely out of order to barge up the stairs past your other half shouting stop and burst in on you naked.

Were you trying to hold a boundary there? PP’s have asked if it was more about you reacting to past events than the current ones - was it an attempt to assert yourself? All power to you, but I dont think you can have it both ways in this particular situation.

Do think about your DS here though - he must be very close to his grandad to stay with him for two nights. Whatever you do now I think you should think about how it will impact him - and your new daughter.

All the best.

BluntFatball · 03/06/2024 22:10

Summerhillsquare · 03/06/2024 22:05

Never mind all this. He beat up your mum? Enough said, he's a wrong un.

Generally speaking, not many mothers would leave their small child overnight with someone who is known to be abusive and beats those weaker than them.

So it's more than a little odd OP left her son there for days (and it sounds like the son has stayed there before too).

He can't both be an abusive arsehole when you are annoyed with him and a loving trustworthy childcare provider when you need him...

redraspberry · 03/06/2024 22:11

I am not going to indulge his fantasy of being number 1 in mine and my children's lives, because first and foremost I am their mother, and I was a woman who had just given birth.

This tells me everything about you and your family.
Both stubborn narcissists having a power struggle.

LessOfMe99 · 03/06/2024 22:11

I cannot imagine in your position not letting a grandparent who has cared for your child for 2.5 days whilst you labour see their new grandchild whilst they are in your house. Appalling behaviour. Whilst what your Dad did was wrong, you were far from blame free yourself.

TBOM · 03/06/2024 22:11

He did you a huge favour and you really didn’t appreciate that. If you didn’t think he was safe to do that you shouldn’t have asked him.

Toooldforthis36 · 03/06/2024 22:11

bloodyeffinnora · 03/06/2024 21:12

He came to your house to drop off your son after taking care of him for 2 nights and you couldn't even spare him 5 minutes to see his new granddaughter.
I can definitely see why he's upset at that. BUT, he definitely shouldn't have barged in your room though, and should apologise for that.

I agree with this. Seems daft to not let them meet at this point - but he was out of line.

Fedupmumofadultsons · 03/06/2024 22:13

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greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:13

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 21:54

Sorry about the "Look what he made you do!" cheerleaders for abuse.

Of course it is 100 percent irrelevant why he chose to act like that and any excuses are just that, excuses. Under no circumstances, for any reason, at any time would his behaviour have been ok.

I see the usual contingent claiming that handing a newborn around like a parcel and not having your own boundaries is great and fun for all the family, luckily it's not their choice to make.

But what was interesting was that you also pushed past his boundary with phoning him back twice when he said he didn't want to speak to you.

It sounds to me like you are still trying to train him to be a decent human. Understandable, but it won't work.

I wouldn't have allowed him to look after your other child, and he would have been a vague shadowy figure in my life long ago. But that's me, and you have to decide what you want to do.

What you won't get is an apology and he won't change. Working with those facts, make the best decision you can, and then just let it go. We can't change others, only how we react to them.

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To be clear, anyone squealing about him having to wait to see your baby and trying to make that some sort of gotcha is a cheerleader for abuse.

And anyone pretending you are as bad as a violent man who won't be told no is also a cheerleader for abusive men, should be ashamed of themselves, and should be completely ignored.

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greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:15

LessOfMe99 · 03/06/2024 22:11

I cannot imagine in your position not letting a grandparent who has cared for your child for 2.5 days whilst you labour see their new grandchild whilst they are in your house. Appalling behaviour. Whilst what your Dad did was wrong, you were far from blame free yourself.

Look what she made me do! Shouted the violent man surrounded by cheerleaders who think only women can and should control themselves.

PetulantPenguin · 03/06/2024 22:15

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

I agree with this too and dropping the gifts he gave you off on hos doorstep just seems drama causing on your part. Its all a bit silly.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:20

The cheerleaders for abusive violent men on this thread are utterly DISGUSTING and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. You are foul.

OP your responses are shaped by an abusive violent man. You're trying to force him to behave, but it won't work.

Let it go, let him go, you've been taught you have to have the last word because otherwise he'll roll over you. But he will never learn, improve or change.

Don't get involved in any more discussions, don't return the gifts. Just move on.

I'm moving on from this thread, cheerleaders for violent men sicken me and I choose not to read their foul attacks.

toomanytonotice · 03/06/2024 22:21

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:15

Look what she made me do! Shouted the violent man surrounded by cheerleaders who think only women can and should control themselves.

If he’s that violent why is she sending her son off with him when she needs childcare.

can’t have it both ways. If he’s how she describes she should have gone nc years ago.

but she isn’t, she’s “devastated” he won’t meet the baby, but only on her terms. Everything smacks of her need to control. And only now she wants to go nc when she learns he won’t do what she says.

they do sound as bad as each other. They’re both bullying each other, and using this baby as a pawn.

SallyWD · 03/06/2024 22:22

Jellycats4life · 03/06/2024 21:08

I’m with @vincettenoir

I can hardly blame your Dad for feeling extremely put out that he was expected to drop your son off but not see you and the new baby. All this drama could surely have been avoided if you hadn’t made that (rather unnecessary IMO) stipulation in the first place.

If I’d done the same to either of my parents they would have been very upset.

I have to say I agree with this. Your dad helped out by looking after your son for two days. He came round to drop him home and was immediately told he was barred from seeing you. He certainly shouldn't have barged in to your room but I understand the hurt and humiliation.
My MIL looked after my toddler when I gave birth. As soon as I was home I let her meet the new baby (despite being utterly exhausted). I would never have dreamed of telling her she couldn't!
I think it was a little unfair not to let him have a quick peak at his grandson. It would have taken a few minutes.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:23

toomanytonotice · 03/06/2024 22:21

If he’s that violent why is she sending her son off with him when she needs childcare.

can’t have it both ways. If he’s how she describes she should have gone nc years ago.

but she isn’t, she’s “devastated” he won’t meet the baby, but only on her terms. Everything smacks of her need to control. And only now she wants to go nc when she learns he won’t do what she says.

they do sound as bad as each other. They’re both bullying each other, and using this baby as a pawn.

A man who beats women is not comparable to a woman being stubborn.

What a putrid, dangerous statement.

LiterallyOnFire · 03/06/2024 22:24

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:20

The cheerleaders for abusive violent men on this thread are utterly DISGUSTING and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. You are foul.

OP your responses are shaped by an abusive violent man. You're trying to force him to behave, but it won't work.

Let it go, let him go, you've been taught you have to have the last word because otherwise he'll roll over you. But he will never learn, improve or change.

Don't get involved in any more discussions, don't return the gifts. Just move on.

I'm moving on from this thread, cheerleaders for violent men sicken me and I choose not to read their foul attacks.

Edited

Oh do give it a rest. Part of escaping abuse is safeguarding your DC from the abuser. A really important part actually. (Although not always easy.) So it is important to be clear about that. It's not the same as an apologia for the bully.

I do wonder though, if OP saw the abuse firsthand or whether, conversely, she has some doubts about the abuse, because it seems odd that she was happy for him to babysit.