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To feel like my child free friends want me to dislike having a child?

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doggydoggle · 02/06/2024 00:57

Growing up, I observed that amongst my parents generation, there was a lot of jokes about husbands and wives disliking each other. This is often referred to as "boomer humour".

"The old ball and chain."

Jokes about his bald head and her fat bum.

It was all over birthday cards. It was all over tv and was generally part of every day conversation. Not to say that everyone actually felt that way but it felt like it was expected that they'd talk about each other that way.

I feel like my generation's (I'm in my 30s) equivalent to that is people joking about not liking their children. Parents often "jokingly" warn you "don't have kids". They do a sort of (either faux or real) jealousy when they hear about child free people going out to drinks as they have to be at home with a child. They constantly talk about needing wine to cope.

People without children often refer to children as smelly or gross or openly talk about how they could never cope with not having freedom.

I was child free for many years and I think it's great for people to be able to choose not to have children. I definitely don't think everyone should and it's obviously not the right thing for everyone. I believe people can be perfectly happy without children.

However I feel like a lot of people now seem to pity me for having a child and not being able to stay out late or make impromptu plans or "do whatever I want". Generally they talk about parenthood as being completely negative.

I confess that I felt this way before I had children. I definitely felt sorry for parents - thought they always looked stressed. Their lives didn't sound as fun. I thought mine seemed more fun - getting up when I want, not having responsibilities, being able to just think of myself.

The difference is that I didn't actually say this out loud to people with children!! As I knew it would be offensive to speak about their actual child who they loved as this horrible negative thing.

I've completely changed since having a child. I know that a lot of people will think it's for the worst but to me it feels like life is so much better now. Having a child is obviously hard sometimes but I love having him and I feel this complete and utter contentment and inner peace that I've craved my whole life. I have never been so at peace and happy ever before. I absolutely love being a mum and if I could go back in time I'd do it sooner and start sorting my life and finances out sooner so I could have had more.

I don't expect people to love or care about my child but I feel increasingly like having a child has almost become "uncool" amongst my (mostly childfree) peers. I'm constantly inundated with picture of peoples dogs. Everyone wants to meet these new dogs or see pictures or talk about and fuss over them. Sometimes they insist they love them as much as a parent loves their child (not in a joking 'fur baby' way either)

Any even mention of my child is at best smiled politely at before immediately changing the subject or worst I am told how they don't like children and sometimes they're called things like "crotch goblins". This is not in a loving jokey way.

Again I know nobody else owes me anything and has no reason to be interested in my child. I just feel it's weird that I'm expected to constantly talk about and look at pictures of dogs but if when giving an update about what's been happening with me I mention that my child learned to walk or talk or cartwheel, its boring and not an acceptable conversation.

When people find out I have a child they seem to feel sorry for me and want to brag about how they don't have one and their life is so easy.

I've tried making friends with mums at groups but I don't seem to have a lot in common with ones I've met and now I am back to working full time it is harder. A lot of people I meet through work, my interests etc tend to be childfree for whatever reason.

OP posts:
Solpa · 02/06/2024 09:21

I am older, 66. Never wanted children until I did at 38. I don't remember anything similar except that people teased me about not wanting children.
My parents generation were born in the 1930s and parenthood wasn't always a choice. There was no pill, no abortion and no fertility treatment. So anyone of their generation who didn't have children it was usually not by choice. Adoption was easier though, some of my parents friends adopted in their 20s and again a couple of years later.
I know a few elderly ladies in their 80s who were never able to have children and obviously they had different lives but always wistful about what they missed.

Ksqordssvimy · 02/06/2024 09:23

But honestly...

I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYONE CALL ANYONE'S CHILD A CROTCH GOBLIN.

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 09:25

Solpa · 02/06/2024 09:21

I am older, 66. Never wanted children until I did at 38. I don't remember anything similar except that people teased me about not wanting children.
My parents generation were born in the 1930s and parenthood wasn't always a choice. There was no pill, no abortion and no fertility treatment. So anyone of their generation who didn't have children it was usually not by choice. Adoption was easier though, some of my parents friends adopted in their 20s and again a couple of years later.
I know a few elderly ladies in their 80s who were never able to have children and obviously they had different lives but always wistful about what they missed.

Yes adoption was easier because unmarried mothers had their babies forcibly taken away from them.

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:25

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 02/06/2024 09:19

People could say the exact same about elderly people.

I'm not telling you that you have to like children, what I'm saying is that sweeping generalisations about any group of people is wrong. It seems especially wrong when people try to defend those sweeping generalisations, and then even more wrong when the group having those generalisations made against them is vulnerable.

None of this has any effect on children or the elderly - it's women saying we don't want to be around children. (For that matter, I don't want to be around elderly dementia patients, either. I've had enough of that.)

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 09:28

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:19

Saying someone hates younger themselves is quite a stretch. I wouldn't want to socialise with toddler or preteen me, and most certainly not with any of the kids at my schools. People here are talking like it's a crime to simply have no interest in children and want to stay away from them.

Used to know someone who’d been so badly bullied as a child that even as an adult being in the presence of children could be triggering.

roseinthedark · 02/06/2024 09:29

I really resonate with what you’ve written. I got married two years after uni and started having my kids at age 24. The horror we were met with when we told our uni friends our intentions was palpable and most are still living in trendy areas of London, enjoying that free, working lifestyle. But like you, I love the choice we have made, we have three now. The children have motivated my husband (who is incredible, loving, and made to be a father) to earn an incredible salary that has afforded us a great lifestyle where I can stay with the kids. I feel greatly sorry for my friends who are waiting until their mid 30s to start having them, but as you say, I would never say it to them. I’m sure they feel sorry for me too!

However, I have had school acquaintances who have bluntly said to me, in response to posting my baby bump on Instagram, “why would you have kids and ruin your body?” A very letchy and sexually motivated person during school who I swiftly removed. I really wanted to say to this person, “why would you ruin your body with too much takeaway and what will you bring about your moobs?” But again, I wouldn’t say it!

A slightly closer acquaintance to me posted a meme after we announced the birth of our first child, suggesting that pursuing a PHD was of greater importance than popping out kids you can’t provide for. However this person was not pursuing a PHD, and now has her own son. From what I know of her and what she thinks of me, I suspect she was quite disgusted by my young age.

One thing I would never say to another mother or father (except semi anonymously here) is that I’m glad that when our kids are older, we can say to them that there was nothing we wanted more than we wanted them. No holiday or no fun experience was better for us than having children.

Ace56 · 02/06/2024 09:32

CerealPonderer · 02/06/2024 07:54

I genuinely wouldn't know what to say if someone told me that

Really? You'd have no idea what to say if someone told you their child had learned to walk? No clue at all of something appropriate to respond with? It doesn't sound like you suffer with communication difficulties in general as you can talk for hours about other subjects so why, specifically, does one innane comment about a child throw you to the point of being speechless?

People often make comments or tell me things I have zero actual interest in. People in work or clients, talking about their new extension or their pets, that they're going to be a grandparent or about their visit to Germany last month or the bargain they found on their new shoes. But I'm not a rude, dismissive prick so rather than sneer I say...

Oh how lovely.
Oh that's beautiful, such a lucky find!
Wow, sounds fantastic.
Congratulations, you must be so excited.

It's really, really not difficult or unusual at all and happens to most people often.

However this post pretty clearly proves the op's point. Some people will go to absolute lengths to try and make a point about how below their notice children are. It's odd and I suspect is usually a mask for other things.

Exactly this. It’s nothing to do with whether they like children or not, it’s the rudeness that would irritate me.

Even if you’re not interested in a particular topic, it’s just common courtesy to nod along and make the right noises and it’s not fucking difficult. If your friend was CONSTANTLY banging on about a topic you don’t care about then yes, that would be annoying, but it doesn’t sound like OP is constantly talking about her child. The friends are just rude imo.

Mynaddmawr · 02/06/2024 09:33

My child free friends aren't very interested in the finer details of my babies development, but they muster a bit of excitement for the big stuff. Yours sound a bit selfish. Hopefully you will make some more mum friends soon, I'm sure it will get easier when LO starts school. Or are there any mum/toddler activities you could both attend? Also I cant get worked up about people who think they love their pets like children- I must confess i thought I loved my cats like children until actually having one!

Catsmere · 02/06/2024 09:34

KimberleyClark · 02/06/2024 09:28

Used to know someone who’d been so badly bullied as a child that even as an adult being in the presence of children could be triggering.

That poor person!

ChillysWaterBottle · 02/06/2024 09:34

bookreturnshere · 02/06/2024 02:01

you really are being entitled to expect people to care about your child.

It is not entitled to expect your friends to care about your child.

YaMuvva · 02/06/2024 09:35

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Vile because I expect my friend to give a shit about my kids? Or vile because I don’t love dogs? Or vile because I said cunt?

I hope you don’t have kids TBH, if you teach them it’s fine that people important to you don’t care about them

YaMuvva · 02/06/2024 09:35

ChillysWaterBottle · 02/06/2024 09:34

It is not entitled to expect your friends to care about your child.

Apparently if you do you’re ‘vile’ 🤣🤣

whiteroseredrose · 02/06/2024 09:35

I think it's time to move on from these friends.

Occasionally we meet someone who will be a friend for life but a lot of friends are 'friends for now' or for a particular time in your life.

You had a lot in common with these friends previously, but now you have moved on. It's time to focus on finding people you have things in common with now.

Potential mum friends might not necessarily be your soul mates (though my long term friends are the ones I met at the school gate) but you may have things in common with them now that you don't with your old friends.

CannotWaitToBeFree · 02/06/2024 09:36

You need to find some new friends op.

TheaBrandt · 02/06/2024 09:36

Absolutely Ace. If someone is a friend you do them the courtesy of caring about what’s important to them. Am I massively interested in one friends estrangement from her sister? No but I care about her and will talk about it at length not say something like “well my sisters are great and we get on brilliantly” and change the subject.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 02/06/2024 09:58

I’ll ask friends / relations / close work colleagues how their kids are, and be interested in the answers. And when someone I know is having a baby I’ll crochet them a blanket. But that’s all because I care about the adults & this is something that’s very important to them.

When I ask about their cats & / or dogs, it’s because I’m interested in the animals.

I don’t know if that shows but it’s the best I can do.

Roundroundthegarden · 02/06/2024 10:06

Oddly enough I have experienced something like this with only child parents. Two friends who have only one child and couldn't even bear to look at my baby and just did fake acknowledgements. They were completely fine when we all had one child. Dropped them as I don't need friends like that.

ImFckingMattDamon · 02/06/2024 10:08

ElizabethVonArnim · 02/06/2024 08:57

One of the things I find oddest about being childfree but not by choice is how much my friends with children want to moan about their kids to me. I'm not sure whether they think I won't judge them and they can't get these things off their chests to other friends who are parents, or whether they met think that this is somehow what I want because I can't have kids, or whether they are just moany in general. I see the same friends having a lovely time with their kids and posting good times on Facebook etc, but if I only went by what they tell me, I would think that having kids is awful.

I actually find it quite hard because they moan constantly about the one thing that I have wanted all my life and can't have, and there's no way to address it without making an unnecessary drama out of it.

I think this is probably awkwardness as well as insensitivity on their part. Maybe they think it's what you would want to hear rather than go on about how fantastic they find parenthood when it's not happened for you as you hoped. To be honest I'd probably try to avoid talking about kids full stop rather than say negative things if I knew you were childless rather than childfree in hope of not putting my foot in it and upsetting you. Parents are often guilty of perpetuating the narrative that we all loathe parenthood and would swap our kids for bottomless brunches and lie ins etc because they say what they think the childfree want to hear like 'we are so jealous of all your freedom' etc rather than what we actually feel as it seems crass and insensitive to go on about the joys to someone who cant have/doesn't want that.

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 10:12

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 02/06/2024 09:19

People could say the exact same about elderly people.

I'm not telling you that you have to like children, what I'm saying is that sweeping generalisations about any group of people is wrong. It seems especially wrong when people try to defend those sweeping generalisations, and then even more wrong when the group having those generalisations made against them is vulnerable.

But the reasons I dislike children are universal to all children. So I definitely can say I don't like children.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 02/06/2024 10:14

Of course you can’t talk much about your child if people aren’t interested, but if anyone referred to children as “crotch goblins” in front of me or said that they disliked all children, I’d be inclined to give them a hard stare and say “you mean young human beings? “ or something similar.

I bet they’d just crumble…

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 02/06/2024 10:23

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 10:12

But the reasons I dislike children are universal to all children. So I definitely can say I don't like children.

Your reasons seem to be that they scream and cry and hit... That isn't universal to all children. Crying and screaming universal to babies and maybe toddlers, but beyond that, it isn't universal.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 02/06/2024 10:29

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 08:10

The way they move, make noise, soak up all adult attention really stresses me out. I didn't like kids when I was a kid. Being an adult is awesome! I'm not saying it's impossible I'd meet a child I liked but it hasn't happened yet. They inevitably have the traits of their developmental stage. I don't hate them like they're bad or something I just hate being around their energy.

I know I'm not the centre of the universe and it's my problem to manage but I don't agree that disliking children is difficult to understand.

From newborn to 18 ? Really? I will happily own that I find the second six months ( so 6-12 month olds) unendingly dull and that yr 9s (13-14yos) try the patience of a saint, but all children at all stages ? Yes that is a bit odd.

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 02/06/2024 10:34

I’m also a bit bemused by many of the ‘reasons’ given why people shouldn’t have children.
’You shouldn’t have a child to cure your loneliness/for a close relationship as an adult/because you hope they’ll be a bit like you’

Ok, but in that case why do anything? Why get married, as you could get divorced (in fact the likelihood of that is higher than being NC with a child)? Why get your dream job when you could be fired? Why try or hope for anything in life? Let’s just spend our days watching TV and on our phones, at least that can’t let us down…

Solpa · 02/06/2024 10:39

But the reasons I dislike children are universal to all children. So I definitely can say I don't like children
Same here. Except my own. It's why I nearly didn't have any. I adored my children at every stage, it's quite peculiar how different it feels when they are your own. I tolerated other children when mine were little and of course now they are adults and their friends and partners are adults I love them all. I can well imagine that if I had never had children I wouldn't have regretted it.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 02/06/2024 10:40

OptimismvsRealism · 02/06/2024 08:12

It's not a problem. Tech is about to render many (most?) jobs obsolete. A smaller population will be a solution to that.

This is so ill-informed, please go and google birth-gap. Why do you think the UK ( conservative) government is in the process of providing 30 free hours for 9m olds ? Not from the goodness of their hearts, it's because millenials not having enough babies is a huge societal problem. Primary schools are closing in many Cities.