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To tell colleague people are chatting behind her back

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MeowMail · 01/06/2024 03:52

I work in finance, I love my job but I think as an industry it can be extremely toxic, especially for women.
One of the younger women on our team is 23, if life is a lottery she had almost all the numbers. She is extremely beautiful (modelled her way through uni), tall, slim, natural tan and natural blonde hair. She is from a well off family, well educated, intelligent, talented, athletic and above all else a lovely kind person. Now I get it, it's hard not to be jealous of her at times as on the surface she has it all.
We are all also aware though that she is often subjected to male clients being flirtatious or even just sexually harassing her. If they bring enough money to the firm though there is little she can do. We also know she lost a parent as a child which I think single handedly scores out all the wins she has had in life.

Now tonight I went for drinks after work with some people, she works from home on Fridays so wasn't there. The conversation turned to being about her. And honestly the men were lovely about her but the women were like vultures, she's a nepo baby (this isn't really true at all, one of the seniors knows her dad and she did intern with us while doing her masters however - she applied the same way as everyone else and until the interview the applications are done blind (name/dob etc. removed). I sat in on her interview and she smashed it tbh.
She's a gold-digger (her new boyfriend makes more and is a bit older but nothing crazy), one of them said "I don't feel bad that the clients sexualise her, what else can you expect when you look like her" another said "I find her infuriating, I hate how easy her life is" (excuse me - she lost a parent as a child how is that easy!).
Several of the guys defended her saying she's lovely and hard working, but the women kept going find faults (her legs are too skinny, her instagram is icky, she's fake, she's this, she's that).
Now while this is bullying - 2 people from HR were there and part of it and the chief investment officer was there and said nothing.
So while I will report it, I know very little will come from it especially as it happened outside work.
However I'm thinking, this woman is talented, hardworking, smart etc. She could probably get a comparable job elsewhere if she wanted and maybe if I tell her how toxic and vile people are being it will encourage her to do so.
I did say to a few of them that I get it, it seems unfair for one person to be stunning, sporty, smart, talented, kind and hardworking and it feels like no one should get it all but she doesn't deserve the be bullied which is exactly what they were doing. They all just brushed me off and joked that when your gods favourite what does it matter what they say when she's not around.

Now I'm not sure what to do - do I tell her? Just report? I'm worried if I tell her it will be hurtful but equally I think she deserves to know so she can get out.

So AIBU for wanting to tell this colleague how horrible people are being?

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Butterleigh · 01/06/2024 09:15

Don't tell her because the messenger will be shot and the people who bitched about her will deny it . This will come back on you op.

whatsitcalledwhen · 01/06/2024 09:25

"I'm not really into talking about people like this behind their back so I'm going to head off. Have a good night."

I've used variations of this before when bitching has happened. When it starts, not when it's already been 15/30 minutes of character assassination of someone not there. I was too old for it even in my 20s, it's such nasty and embarrassing behaviour.

Chypre · 01/06/2024 09:33

Nah. Most of the time people know if something is being said behind their backs. If she is that smart, she can read the room and report it her self. She probably has her own reasons not to.

TheaBrandt · 01/06/2024 09:37

My lovely uncle is very grand and old school remember him simply saying he didn’t criticise anyone behind their backs as “they are not there to defend themselves”. Liked the simplicity of that.

TheGirlWithTheMousyHair · 01/06/2024 09:39

Dolphinnoises · 01/06/2024 05:57

All telling her will do is ease your conscience and destroy her confidence.

What you need to do is harder - advocate for her. Tell some of the people who were talking shit that you don’t agree with them. Tell them that she smashed it in her interview. Point out that she lost a parent young, and if someone offered to make them drop dead gorgeous but the price was a parent, would they take it? Tell them you think she’s good at her job.

Be nice to her in the office. Point out her successes. Be her mentor. Jess Phillips’ Everywoman is very good on this issue.

Edited

I agree with all of this. This is the way you support someone in this situation.

But something else also stood out to me. You said in your OP that your colleague is sexually harassed by clients. This should never be tolerated by any company, and you seem to think that it’s just what she has to put up with if the clients bring in enough money. Well, it’s not. Sexual harassment is a crime under the Equality Act, and if you and your company are telling her that she needs to suck it up because it brings in profits, that’s a tribunal waiting to happen.

This sounds like a revolting place to work, all round.

saraclara · 01/06/2024 09:40

Mumsnet threads would have us believe that all men are battered or pathetic

I have no idea what I typed, for autocorrect to turn it into 'battered'! But hopefully you get my gist!

TheaBrandt · 01/06/2024 09:44

One day she will likely be all their bosses so karma will out here!

Wigtopia · 01/06/2024 09:54

I know this so t the point of your post/ answering you Q but it’s concerning that it’s known she is being sexually harassed by clients, but this is normalised and she is not being protected by the organisation because the clients bring in a certain amount of money.

that combined with the awful comments colleagues seem comfortable to say in front of a large group screams of a toxic work environment.

itsmylife7 · 01/06/2024 09:57

Don't tell her.

I'm sure it won't make her feel better by knowing about the backstabbing.

dicokno · 01/06/2024 10:08

I wouldn't tell her.
But the next time the bitching starts up, find your voice and tell the people concerned that it's not on.

JoniBlue · 01/06/2024 10:13

I see no reason to risk undermining her confidence. Unless you hope to drive her out of the company. Her female workmates are jealous and bitter and envious, two faced and gossipy.

DuckEggy · 01/06/2024 10:14

I'd not say. Don't join in, obviously, be nice to her and let her sort it. She sounds as though she will quickly be promoted and the naysayers will have to put up with her being their boss eventually.

Spinet · 01/06/2024 10:15

I wonder which city you are in as this doesn't sound like any sort of scenario that would be acceptable in finance etc the UK these days. I'm sure there are industries where it would happen but any HR person would have shut that conversation down sharpish in the finance/banking industries.

It's difficult to stick up for people in the moment bit perhaps you could talk to HR about leading some kind of company culture project since it sounds toxic.

Hankunamatata · 01/06/2024 10:16

As long as they aren't pretending to be her friends then I'd let it lie. She's probably put up with this shit for years

Username056 · 01/06/2024 10:16

Please don’t tell her people have been bitching about her. This happened to me once. I suspected it but a colleague and friend told me. It upset me and I did question the motives of the “friend” in telling me. It made me wonder how many times she had listened and been part of these conversations even passively. I didn’t trust her after that. I got another job as soon as I could and had no contact with anyone who worked there after that including “friend”.

yumyumyumy · 01/06/2024 10:19

Why on earth would you tell her? I'd just avoid those jealous nasty bitches in social settings going forward.

ExtraOnions · 01/06/2024 10:21

If I were you I would be questioning my own decision to work for an organisation that accepts the sexually harrasment of women as the “norm”

I note that all the men in this scenario are saints, and all the women are sinners

What you have here is a toxic, misogynistic workplace.

BettyBlueHat · 01/06/2024 10:23

Telling her will only upset her. What do you hope to gain from telling her?

If you truly feel what they’re saying is wrong, then you should stand up to them and stand up for her.

Gcsunnyside23 · 01/06/2024 10:23

You'd only be telling her to make yourself feel better that you didn't speak up. It'll achieve nothing but make her paranoid or upset. There are bitches everywhere you go and those women just showed everyone who they were, it was obvious to everyone else they are jealous. Unless it ramps up or they are directly acting against her then don't tell her

GentlemanJohnny · 01/06/2024 10:23

He's a question OP. What does SHE say about them behind THEIR backs?

Say nothing is my advice.

yumyumyumy · 01/06/2024 10:25

ExtraOnions · 01/06/2024 10:21

If I were you I would be questioning my own decision to work for an organisation that accepts the sexually harrasment of women as the “norm”

I note that all the men in this scenario are saints, and all the women are sinners

What you have here is a toxic, misogynistic workplace.

Yes it does really sound awful.

Choochoo21 · 01/06/2024 10:31

Don’t tell her as that will make her feel bad.

But definitely report it.

I have a bitchy colleague too and it’s just pure jealousy.

As they say misery loves company and these women must have very miserable lives to be so vile about someone who is a nice person.

Choochoo21 · 01/06/2024 10:32

GentlemanJohnny · 01/06/2024 10:23

He's a question OP. What does SHE say about them behind THEIR backs?

Say nothing is my advice.

Most people don’t bitch about their colleagues behind their backs.

The only ones who do are jealous and bitter.

It doesn’t sound like this young woman has anything to be bitter or jealous about these other women.

GagaBinks · 01/06/2024 10:33

I must have a different definition of bullying to everyone else. This is bitching/talking shit, isn't it? Could just be a one-time isolated incident?

Bullying, to me, is long term and awful for the recipient. They're aware of it themselves.

I dunno. I would stay out of this if it were me. I don't like to insert myself into dramas and situations.

MeowMail · 01/06/2024 10:36

GentlemanJohnny · 01/06/2024 10:23

He's a question OP. What does SHE say about them behind THEIR backs?

Say nothing is my advice.

I highly doubt she is saying anything - why would she? I think talking crap about people shows insecurity and I don't think for a second that she is insecure or would have any reason to drag anyone else down.
They do it out of jealousy and feel threatened.

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