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Wouldn't be friends with ... AIBU to judge her for this?

112 replies

FrancieM · 31/05/2024 11:08

Last night I went out to someone's leaving drinks at work, afterwards me and two my colleagues went to meet with one of their girlfriends who had been out too.
We were all quite drunk, I have met this girl a number of times and I quite liked her. We have a brunch just the two of us for Sunday.

I don't remember exactly how it came up but she mentioned that she's only really friends with people who went to private school. She explained that she finds some (not all) people who went to state schools like to discredit her success (she's 6 years younger than me, making 15k more than me in the same job more or less so she's doing well!). That she's appreciates she is privileged but that can only take you so far and she's also worked really hard. So generally she finds others who went to private school aren't so keen to bring her down a peg or two and value her success.
I think I jokingly drunkenly responded that she and her boyfriend are my only friends who went to private school (I went to a grammar school). She was clearly drunk so I wasn't taking her too seriously.
The conversation continued and we talked about groups of people that we don't really have any friends from or wouldn't be friends with (all white innocent stuff like people who post there every move on social media).
Then she said very much unprovoked "oh I'm not really friends with fat people" now this took me back. I asked her to explain and she said that she doesn't mean someone who's just a little overweight but someone who is obese. She said she just assumes they are quite lazy and wouldn't enjoy most of her hobbies and that she knows it mean but she does judge. Now I don't get this one, and really when I look on her instagram all her friends are size 6-8 stunning girls. She's a 6 but lives an almost unsustainably active life.

At the time I just brushed it off and changed the topic but now I'm thinking about it - it's awfully mean. I told my closest friend and she said that while she doesn't agree with it, she understands but thinks it's one of those thoughts that should be kept quiet.

Now I'm not sure what next, she's the first new friend I've had in years, we have a good laugh and I was actually really looking forward to a girly brunch. My others friends all have kids now (I have a 19 month old and it's nice to have a non mum friend who doesn't want to speak about kids all the time).
She's intelligent, well spoken etc. so makes for a good sober conversation (clearly her drunk chat leaves a lot to be desired).

So I guess my AIBU to judge the opinions she disclosed drunk and to be considering cancelling brunch/ending the short lived friendship off the back of it?
Or do we all have our less nice side and this is just hers?

OP posts:
Eeeden · 31/05/2024 12:20

She sounds like a vacant, classless, moron, not the intelligent, well spoken woman you seem to think she is.

I wouldn't be part of a conversation about 'who we could never be friends with' for the obvious reasons and for the silliness of it all.

5128gap · 31/05/2024 12:25

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 12:15

This is bizzare, you start a thread saying am I wrong to judge her and end the friendship, then attack other people for judging her and proclaim you’d not do that.

Tbf, it's pretty bizarre to have both the private school hot topic AND fat shaming shoe horned into the one thread, I mean what are the odds?

Penguinmouse · 31/05/2024 12:27

In vino veritas. Not worth being friends with someone who is this much of a dickhead.

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 12:34

5128gap · 31/05/2024 12:25

Tbf, it's pretty bizarre to have both the private school hot topic AND fat shaming shoe horned into the one thread, I mean what are the odds?

It’s like mumsnet bingo….😂

amijustbeingsuspicious · 31/05/2024 12:44

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 31/05/2024 11:29

23! Ha! Let’s see how this size 6 is maintained when/if pregnancy/middle age/menopause hit! Daft bint.

What a weird comment

5128gap · 31/05/2024 12:46

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 12:34

It’s like mumsnet bingo….😂

Next up "My trans boomer MiL won't rent out her buy to let to fat people who went to state school. AIBU to expect her to have DC overnight?"

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 12:51

5128gap · 31/05/2024 12:46

Next up "My trans boomer MiL won't rent out her buy to let to fat people who went to state school. AIBU to expect her to have DC overnight?"

Just waiting for the massive salad to make an appearance…

LongIslander · 31/05/2024 12:52

5128gap · 31/05/2024 12:46

Next up "My trans boomer MiL won't rent out her buy to let to fat people who went to state school. AIBU to expect her to have DC overnight?"

😀

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 31/05/2024 12:55

amijustbeingsuspicious · 31/05/2024 12:44

What a weird comment

There are not that many women who’ve gone through pregnancy and childbirth and meno who are the same lithe figures they were at 23. I was a skinny Minnie at that age and wouldn’t have crossed my mind what those things would do to my physique. All I’m saying it’s a weird thing to be smug and judgmental about at 23 when it’s pretty easy to keep in that kind of shape

Outnumbered83 · 31/05/2024 13:01

She sounds as shallow as a puddle and not someone I would want to spend time with. I have friends from all walks of life and the one thing they have in common is human decency.

LivelyHare · 31/05/2024 13:08

So she has an opinion on fat people, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Who cares either way?!

The question is more why you feel you can’t be friends with someone whose opinion differ from yours. Do you seriously just want vanilla all the time?

Allfur · 31/05/2024 13:12

Janedoe82 · 31/05/2024 12:12

People don't know what they don't know. They are products of their environment and she has been brought up in a very sheltered and privileged one.

So if a 23 year old made racist comments when drunk, we just right it off as the folly of youth?

Universalsnail · 31/05/2024 13:15

I wouldn't be friends with her tbh. She sounds like a terrible person 😅 at best she's a snob who is secretly judging everything you do. Sounds exhausting.

LongIslander · 31/05/2024 13:15

LivelyHare · 31/05/2024 13:08

So she has an opinion on fat people, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Who cares either way?!

The question is more why you feel you can’t be friends with someone whose opinion differ from yours. Do you seriously just want vanilla all the time?

So it's 'vanilla' not to get drunk and express your dislike of fat people?

Phantasmagorically · 31/05/2024 13:18

I’m sitting here thinking about what would stop me from wanting to be friends with someone. None of them are things relating to appearance. If someone is entertaining company and makes me laugh I don’t really care whether that’s delivered by a size 6 blonde or a size 20 redhead. Just seems…irrelevant.

Her fear of state school educated people i.e. the majority of the population does indicate insecurity.

Phantasmagorically · 31/05/2024 13:19

But meet her again and see if the friendship spark is still there. In the cold light of eggs benedict she might not seem so cool. Or then again she might!

nutbrownhare15 · 31/05/2024 13:22

I could maybe forgive the first thing but not the second. I wouldn't want to be friends with her because she's a horrible judgemental person and I'd always be wondering if she was judging me, my school, my weight, anything else really behind my back.

FruitFlyPie · 31/05/2024 13:24

I wouldn't end the friendship over this if it were me. The older I get, the more I realise that people aren't perfect. As long as someone isn't actively cruel to others, you can't police every thought. I also think friendships are mainly about the fun you have together, and not necessarily that person representing all your own values.

Janedoe82 · 31/05/2024 13:29

Allfur · 31/05/2024 13:12

So if a 23 year old made racist comments when drunk, we just right it off as the folly of youth?

It is not quite the same thing. Shallowness isn't a crime, being racist is.

the80sweregreat · 31/05/2024 13:32

I do think people judge others a lot more than we give them credit for. They just don't say anything out loud.
Just start a ' unpopular opinions ' thread on here and it's usually deleted as people's views are anything from ' I don't like beards ' ( for example ) to all kinds of other judgements about lifestyle or looks.
I know a few people who look at us ' overweight people ' and definitely silently judge me, but they wouldn't say it to my face.
It's a tricky one.

Reliana · 31/05/2024 13:35

I don’t think this is worth ending a friendship over.
In my experience of extremely attractive people (my sister for example modelled a lot in her late teens and is stunning) they are also friends with extremely attractive people. I don’t think it’s intentional it just seems to happen. My sister is also super fit so her closest friend is too, when they spending time together they are working out - that’s wouldn’t work with someone who isn’t fit.
I think a lot of people here must be angelic as it seems they’ve never said something judgemental while drunk!
If she is otherwise nice I say be her friend.

Flapearedknave · 31/05/2024 13:36

I couldn't be friends with somebody like that.

You want to make excuses for her.

I don't understand why you started the thread tbh.

daisychain01 · 31/05/2024 13:37

I don't think I could trust a friend's sense of judgement after that. Not sure if there's any coming back from it.

Drunken rant? Or someone whose inhibitions are low because of drink so tell you what's really on their mind...

Your frenemy's views are really naive and let's hope in years to come she looks back with embarrassment and cringes at what she said.

I'd leave her to it, her and her private school education. Tedious.

Reliana · 31/05/2024 13:37

Also for everyone saying I wouldn’t be friends with someone like that - I’d imagine they are the same people that these people wouldn’t be friends with anyway!

daisychain01 · 31/05/2024 13:40

I think a lot of people here must be angelic as it seems they’ve never said something judgemental while drunk!

you're tarring an awful lot of people with a big wide brush there! Big assumption that people get drunk. And big assumption that they insult their friends when they have a drink. Neither of which you have any visibility of, and it isn't normal behaviour to do either of those things.