To think that improving state schools needs people to pay an e.g. a state school tax?

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What with the current hoo ha about VAT on private school and commentary about equality and privilege.. wouldn’t it make sense to vastly improve state schools? And in order to do so obviously the government needs more cash.

Isn’t it reasonable therefore to ask anyone using state schools, to pay a bit of tax for that, in order to improve all said schools from their (often) current dire state?

They are going to get the 20% from you lot.

@User79853257976 calculations have been done that show very little money will be raised by this policy once the additional costs of children moving over to state and additional input VAT being able to be claimed by private schools are taken into account.

What on earth gave you such a spurious idea? Hopefully you are informed enough to do the maths. I'll help you out. There is a mix of private schools with varying fees. There is also a mix of parents in different economic situations with children in private schools. From those for whom the 20% VAT will surely be unaffordable, to those who barely spare a second glance at the invoices. Regardless of economic circumstances though, most are aghast by such a deeply flawed and divisive policy.

Yes I don’t actually think it’s a good idea. I think they should take 20% of each school’s profits and cap the price rises they can pass to parents in line with inflation.

To be fair to the poster, Mumsnet tells us daily that this is the case.

All the threads on here at the moment ....

@User79853257976 that would be difficult to do. Many state schools are also charities (although not necessarily profit making!). Mind many private schools are surviving on reserves at the moment

What I find interesting is that this is the only thread I have seen talking about additional funding required for state schools (even in a round about way). But there are so many people commenting on all threads about VAT on private school fees. Like Starner people have got their priorities wrong

Exactly ! Countless posters saying these things on countless threads over the last week or so. I don't agree with them. I just find it amusing how many people try and claim whatever facts suit their narrative

Because private education is a luxury service that is currently an anomaly in not attracting VAT.

Look at you with your hand in somebody else’s pocket 🤣😂🤣

You can't compare it with an existing VAT able item or service though because it is not the same.

For example, if I buy a watch, I have to pay VAT on it. But if I don't buy a watch, I cannot go to the government and claim one as a universal entitlement.

Arguing it is the same as any other VAT item service is not correct.

State schools definitely need to charge. It will happen eventually.

That's why it's a luxury/non-essential service

There seems to be a concept that more money will automatically lead to better outcomes. Nope, what leads to better outcomes is better parental engagement with both the school and with their child.

My daughters have both been in classes of about 20 as we live in a village and there just isn't 30 children in each year group wishing to attend. So the schools funding is lower as its based on an amount per child. But the education far exceeds that in their 30 child per class much better funding outstanding school attended before we move. And this is solely down to 2 things - an incredibly dedicated dynamic headteacher and staff, and a really engaged parental group, who come to every school event, help with reading, ensure really high attendance, engage with and respect the school. And it's a very mixed catchment, some high earners, some middle, but also many lowers earners (FSM rate is about 30%). Thos isn't something which can be bought.

Why would anyone, MP or anyone else. send their child to a school they know is failing its pupils?

@Papyrophile not everyone has a choice. But parents with money have a much greater choice , either private or state

It's people who don't have a choice. The alternatives may be oversubscribed, or miles away.

I agree OP.

in other countries, private school fee payers get rebates, not tax on top of fees.

In my experience as an Indian person. Many Indian / Pakistani origin parents of all social classes don’t care about school ratings as parental engagement will be so high there kids will get A*-As at any school. It’s often why these parents don’t like to socialise beyond their communities when their kids go to state school - they don’t trust other families / parents.

We pay tax toward the NHs and look at that! (NHS nurse by the way)
police. We pay for tax. Look at the state of that.
council tax (either bankruptcy or heading toward)
There’s a bit of a theme here 🤔🤨

If nothing else, it explains why second gen Indian and Pakistani children outperform their UK counterparts. Expectation.

You can go online right now and donate straight to hospital appeals.

It's cost 1650 to put a child through 1 mfl GCSE. Of course when they started inexpensive group lessons for fun we didn't know this would be the case.

I'm not really up for a policy where poor people have to watch their children die of an asthma attack that can't be controlled by their inhaler because they can't afford the A&E visit

Never mind the number of people on disability benefits rising as people end up lame because they could get a broken bone set, or permanently disabled by something that could have been treated easily

It's not exactly a useful money saving exercise. A healthy population can work more and therefore pay more taxes than an unhealthy population.