To think that improving state schools needs people to pay an e.g. a state school tax?

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What with the current hoo ha about VAT on private school and commentary about equality and privilege.. wouldn’t it make sense to vastly improve state schools? And in order to do so obviously the government needs more cash.

Isn’t it reasonable therefore to ask anyone using state schools, to pay a bit of tax for that, in order to improve all said schools from their (often) current dire state?

Most schools in England receive about £4k per pupil.

Well that I agree on. The billionaires probably pay the least tax. Apart from ones we know pay fairly - JKR, Paul Mc, Ed Sheeran etc.

Stupid suggestion. What you are proposing is not a tax but the introduction of fees for state education. That would be an incredibly backward step and the whole of society would suffer.

The sensible solution would be to provide better funding for state schools through general progressive taxation.

My dd has left school now but I would gladly pay a higher rate of tax to help educate the next generation.

So shall we pay when we go to A and E ?
Wouldn't this be the same as the parents of the children using the school paying more?
Or am i misunderstanding you?

I think this might be one of the stupidest ideas I’ve ever read on here.

I've always said I'd pay more tax if it was guaranteed to go to education and the NHS

Three of my four were educated privately so I am not unsympathetic but this has been debated so many times in the past that I am surprised so many parents seem to be blindsided by it. Surely you budget for increases when you make the decision to pay for a private education.

Not just schools but NHS, defence and general infrastructure all need improvements.

the problem is that we get a poor level of service for the amount of tax we pay. Too many levels of management and jobs that are not focused directly on service provision.

I think it will take more than that. I think state schools need....

More cash to pay teachers & other staff properly
More SEN provision
More PRUs so that disruptive pupils can be separated out and taught separately as their needs dictate
A period of consistency, with no changes to curricula
To remove the straight-jacket of control over every tiny aspect of teaching, that makes it a joyless misery.
Repairs to school facilities.

Then we might get somewhere.

Maybe child benefit could be diverted to schools to reallocate funding for children rather than impose an additional tax?

Do you have any evidence of how much tax billionaires actually pay ?

Did you know that the top 10% of earners pay 60% of the income tax take in the UK ?

Or that the top 1% pay 30% of it ?

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not going to be crying a river over whether or not UK billionaires are rushing to the food banks. But they do pay an awful lot of tax.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

It's proper Mumsnetty isn't it? I love watching parents get their knickers in a twist trying to justify private schooling here. The lies they tell themselves to justify it too. Proper bonkers.

As long as we’re going to start charging an entrance fee at A&E, a booking fee for the GP, a comprehensive toll system covering all main roads…

The point of the tax system is that there are certain things which benefit the country as a whole and we shouldn’t have to pay based on our individual circumstances but our earnings.

This!
Those who say 'I don't have any children so why should my taxes fund schools' are not thinking things through at all.
Without a free education how would we fill the roles in society that need to be filled? Children are not a hobby that parents have for their own amusement they are the next generation of people. They are the ones who build our society going forward. We need everyone to be educated so that we can all benefit from their talents and abilities.

We all benefit from an educated population and we all benefit from the best minds for each area coming through.
Unfortunately our state education system prevents that because it doesn't tackle literacy issues properly or help students with maths issues and can force out of education those with autism and so on.

I think there should be a premium land value tax on homes within the catchment areas of naice schools.

We live in a small ex-council semi in a grotty area of town where the catchment school and all other potentially accessible schools are crap, with low aspirations and very poor records on pupil safety with virtually no one getting into good universities. A house of the same size in the naice area of town with an outstanding comp that regularly gets top results and high levels of acceptance at top universities would be about £250,000 more expensive so obviously only the wealthy can access that privilege. I would like to see that £250,000 of bonus property value taxed to help pay to bring the struggling schools up to scratch.

YABU - If you are not using state schools you are directly benefitting from of people having access to them, as it should be in a civilised society This is for everything from healthcare to collecting your rubbish and everything in between.

Roads are covered by road tax which you pay for every vehicle so there is already an additional charge to users.

Of course rich people pay a lot of tax, they're the ones who have purloined all the money!
The more money you have the greater your ability to hide it away so that you don't pay any tax on it🤬

It is taxed via SDLT? Or are you proposing another tax on top?! How are you going to prove that the house is only worth more because of the school?

This thread is already nuts.

I'd like to see how people that privately educate their children deal with private schools absorbing the VAT and having to make cuts to the service.

I don’t want to pay for your kids! I’m a higher rate tax payer, don’t use the nhs or state schools. How much of money do you actually want?

And before you start calling me every name under the sun. Not too many years ago I was homeless. Call me privelaged. I dare you.

Ex council home. Do you own it?

Did you go to state school yourself?

There are 171 billionaires in the UK. All of whom have the easy ability to leave if you over-tax them.

Expecting them to contribute more to the education of ten million children is unrealistic. Even if we taxed them £1.2m more each, per year, and persuaded them to stay in the UK, that would provide £20 per pupil. That won't go far, will it.

We need to think of something a little more sensible.