To think pronatalists are on to something?

[Carebearsonmybed]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25/american-pronatalists-malcolm-and-simone-collins?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I don't agree with everything this couple say or do but I do think we are approaching a demographic timebomb when the global human population starts to drop in 50 years time.

Most women probably expect to have more DCs at 20 than they end up having by 45. What can we do to get the UK birth rate to replacement rate of c 2.5 so we don't have a crisis of elderly people without enough workers to pay for or provide care and subsidence?

I am reminded of the Great Horse Manure Crisis for more than one reason. https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Great-Horse-Manure-Crisis-of-1894/

Absolutely this.

Why do pronatalists give their kids weird fucking names?

just finished reading the full article and someone really needs to take those poor kids off them. utterly horrific people

But what is the problem with immigrants? They replace the non working population so evidently there is room.

And then what? Another unpopulated planet amongst billions of others?

DD (21). And lots of her friends are seriously questioning whether they will actually want children in the future.

Er, yes? Well, the planet will be unpopulated by humans - we'll be extinct, just like many thousands of other species.

There'll still be animals, plants, insects etc.

Why is humanity less important?

Why is it more important?

Well if we get caught up in and of the current wars there will be a population boom to replace those lost, just as in WWII

Not necessarily. Contraception has been invented since then. Also there will be far fewer people of childbearing age

The survival of humanity is only important to humans.The survival of other species is only important to humans. We will go extinct, as will every other species on earth, to be replaced by another. Without humans animals aren't going to live in a natural utopia they will kill and eat each other until they too are extinct. The point of doing better for the planet is to make earth habitable for humans and the things we love, like animals and nature. We will he here, then ine day we won't. We are a blip compared to the dinosaurs.

But we only have to get through the next 10-20 years and we will see a demographic shift as the boomer generation is no more (I say this as someone with loved boomer parents).
We will then have a permanently smaller population, needing fewer people to service it.
Or am I wrong?

Why do you think extinction? Why would it be bad if it dropped to 4 billion?

Whatever: I think we can all agree that using our second home, gifted to us by a millionaire, to acquire childcare in lieu of rent, hanging ipads around the necks of two year olds in lieu of parenting, and slapping them in the face in lieu of discipline, is probably not going to be a solution to the white baby birth crisis that the pronatalists claim to want. I mean sure two lovely loons, are reproducing (at a very high cost in dollars) through IVF and csection. But the babies they are producing are massively underresourced and uncared for. Add on to this home schooling by two people absolutely uninterested in children or ideas and I rather expect their children will end up wards of the state or nonfunctional in an economic or social sense.

Fascinating article and thread.

Thank you @Carebearsonmybed

But what is the problem with immigrants? They replace the non working population so evidently there is room

The problem is that the culture and character of your country will change — for good or bad. Europe once went through a huge population change about 3000 years ago.

The people who built Stonehenge don’t exist genetically in Britain anymore. They have vanished and you lot (I’m not British lol) have appropriated that cultural achievement. It’s tragic tbh

Immigration

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Tax the rich

really? I'd be intersted to know more about the stonehenge folks being lost. Have you got a link please?

I've just read the article, poor kids, it doesn't feel as if they care for them at all, just getting to their end goal. It's also made me very glad that embryo selection is heavily regulated in the UK and we cannot select for supposed intelligence etc here. And we should not be able to, even if the couple in this article are advocating for it!

I can see the argument of how having a lower ratio of economically active folk to those needing care is an issue, but cannot agree on their logic or methods at all.

And it will recover from that like it has done before.

In the grand scheme of things the human race is not important and it not being on the planet won't harm it in any way. It certainly won't make the earth "desolate like the rest of the solar system."

oh I just found this.....apparently we haven't appropriated Stonehenge and we still carry some neolithic genes....also the "Beaker takeover" seems to have been a good thing!

The photo of him kissing her by the tent gives me the willies.
In fact, the whole thing gives me the willies.
Too close to home to the old 'barefoot, pregnant and tied to the kitchen sink' shackles I thought we'd shaken off years ago.
If they want to fill their cold house with children and crap they bought on the internet from Russia whilst all the while telling other people how to go about their lives then that's their lookout - but it's a funny way to go about these sweet short, filled with choice, days on earth we have.

They both sound like very damaged people.